Titans Together! Teen Titans Appreciation

[chief12d]

No, the last MMH solo origin was actually completely different than it ever had been before, I can't exactly explain it without rereading it all though but he was basically like a SUPER MARTIAN WEAPON and he split into seperate parts (for example Malefic was just part of J'onn's psyche made manifest in that book rather than this brother). That seems to be out of continuity now and J'onn's origin is being revamped AGAIN in his upcoming Solo.

As for White Martians right now... who knows, Green Lanterns had one of the first Lanterns being one and pretty clearly a hero but JL seemed to imply the JL fought them before presumably that will ALSO be explained in the upcoming MMH book.

Basically Martian Continuity is in an extreme state of flux right now and we'll need to wait for further issues of Justice League, Titans and of course Martian Manhunter to work out how it all works right now.

on another note the JL annual seems to be a crossover with Titans so I really hope we get some moments between Diana and Donna (she really clearly needs the help right now) and J'onn and M'gann (Dynamic needs more panel time and im sure M'gann will be feeling the burdens of leadership even harder by then and could also use some emotional help)

J'onn got enhanced with some sort of alien blood magic and survived an apocalypse if I remember correctly. That was a solid book with great art, wish it had went on a little longer. Doubt that storyline is still in use though with the direction they seem to have for him lol

And I can't wait for him and M'gann to link up in the annual, they've always had a close relationship but we don't see them together often.

[BLFB]

So, yeah. Seems like a Teen Titans animated series character is making his comics debut in the annual. Control Freak. This guy.

Cool, some time ago some of us discussed if Control Freak would actually work outside of the animated shows. I really liked the character in the show, though I thought it wouldn't work that well in comics I hope it's the other way (he appeared in a few issues of the Teen Titans Go! comics from 2004 and it worked well because it was in the same 'universe' of the show).


I'm still wondering why Red X hasn't even made a cameo or something on comics.


Edit: but wait, it says "Joy Stick" will appear too. Joy Stick was supposed to be her 'daughter' in the first Teen Titans Go! comics (in the end she was Kitten disguised, who's the daughter of Killer Moth in the show):





She claimed being the daughter of different TT villains:

Pink X (Red X's daughter):

[Jackalope89]

Cool, some time ago some of us discussed if Control Freak would actually work outside of the animated shows. I really liked the character in the show, though I thought it wouldn't work that well in comics I hope it's the other way (he appeared in a few issues of the Teen Titans Go! comics from 2004 and it worked well because it was in the same 'universe' of the show).


I'm still wondering why Red X hasn't even made a cameo or something on comics.

Duh! Beast Boy nailed it!

[Jackalope89]

[BLFB]

Oh, right, 3 images max per post

Mad Maud (Mad Mod's daughter):



Daughter Blood (Brother Blood's daughter):



Marionnette (Puppet King's daughter):



In the end, it was clearly a Duela Dent's reference.

Duh! Beast Boy nailed it!

Yeah, I know that Jason is supposed to be the first pick lol but I'm talking about Red X as a character more than another costume for Jason.

[Jackalope89]

Oh, right, 3 images max per post

Mad Maud (Mad Mod's daughter):



Daughter Blood (Brother Blood's daughter):



Marionnette (Puppet King's daughter):



In the end, it was clearly a Duela Dent's reference.




Yeah, I know that Jason is supposed to be the first pick lol but I'm talking about Red X as a character more than another costume for Jason.

But it would be SO fun just to see Jason troll the Titans dressed up like that.

[byrd156]

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yep
Starfire killed some Gordanians before she escaped from the slaveship.
She killed Olympian giants. One of them was going to kill Victor.
She killed her last slavemaster which was going to lead to her execution before she escaped from slavery.

She changed her attitude about killing after she spent time in South Africa and learned about apartheid, was framed for killing a freedom leader
New Teen Titans Spotlight issues #1, 2
I really enjoyed those issues
it was perfect for a character that hates injustice and oppression with a passion
I like the comic Starfire (well..Wolfman run) way more than the cartoon Starfire.
She's my favorite Titan because of the comics.


I am hoping to see the conflict between Dick and Kory over killing in the live action show like there was in the comics.

[Mojo]

J'onn got enhanced with some sort of alien blood magic and survived an apocalypse if I remember correctly. That was a solid book with great art, wish it had went on a little longer. Doubt that storyline is still in use though with the direction they seem to have for him lol

And I can't wait for him and M'gann to link up in the annual, they've always had a close relationship but we don't see them together often.

Yeah I remember back in Brightest Day J'onn saves M'gann with White Lantern powers and they do this crazy full world mind scan and I was like "YES FINALLY A BIG MARTIAN MANHUNTER + MISS MARTIAN STORY!"... then IRC he pulls the "blah blah too dangerous" card, wasted potential.

[Kon93]

Has anyone seen this?



Straight hair and TV friendly kory suit.

What do all you guys think?

[byrd156]

Has anyone seen this?



Straight hair and TV friendly kory suit.

What do all you guys think?

Wish she was orange but it's better than what she was wearing. I'm more concerned with her character depiction rather than her look. So far I don't care or know anything about this version of Starfire other than they fact that she is involved with criminals on the other side of the world and laughs when she kills people.

[Starrius]

Yep
I have read that comic panel of Dick talking to Donna about his concerns about Kory's violence and killing
It was in New Teen Titans issue, Volume 2, issue #13



Before The Comic Panel:

Dick: Donna

Donna: What are YOU doing here?

Terry: Hi, Dick. How's it going?

Dick: Okay, Terry...Sorry for barging in here...
Guess I needed someone to SPEAK with and you two were the unlucky chosen ones.
Tell me if this is none of my business..
but do you guys FIGHT?

Donna: All the time. Of course, I always WIN.
I'm the one with the muscles in the family

Terry: I don't care WHO wins...
I just like WRESTLING with her..

Donna: It's about Kory, isn't it?

Dick: Yeah...Since you two got married, she's been talking about SETTLING down...

Donna: Nothing wrong with THAT, Dick? You two LOVE each other, don't you?

Dick: THAT'S not the problem...It's the way she's been acting. You saw how she was on OLYMPUS.
The way she fought
She's REVERTING, Donna. ..to the way she was when she FIRST came from Tamaran. To her more SAVAGE side.
When she SPEARED those giants...when she KILLED them...she didn't even CARE.

Terry: Giants? She KILLED The Olympian Giants?
Don't worry, Honey--One day WE'LL go someplace, too...
With my luck , it'll be NEWARK

Dick: I'm afraid, Donna...That was WAR.
Maybe it was even acceptable...



After The Comic Panel:

Donna: She's following the CODE of her planet...the way she was brought up

Terry: They say you can't tame a jungle animal...

Donna: Terry, Kory's NOT an animal...but maybe you're right and we were WRONG trying to CHANGE her.
She has to be NATURAL...and with Kory, well -- you know her inclination to is follow her instinctual EMOTIONS..
Her people aren't the types to REASON things out.

Dick: I know...I've thought about his a HUNDRED times...but it doesn't CHANGE anything.
How can I live with --

then there was a call that interrupted the conversation

[Starrius]

Kory changed her attitude about killing after she spent time in South Africa and learned about apartheid, was framed for killing a freedom leader
New Teen Titans Spotlight issues #1, 2
I really enjoyed those issues
it was perfect for a character that hates injustice and oppression with a passion



Teen Titans Spotlight on: Starfire
issues #1 and #2
published August ,September 1986


issue #1
Starfire sees a woman being burnt to death and tries to help out
She learns about Apartheid in South Africa.
This story shows that she maybe naive but she's not stupid.

Starfire is being told:
Bad show out there. These blacks have been causing us all manner of GRIEF. Good to know some AMERICANS can see what is really going on here.

You know blacks are like children. ...
They don't understand such complexities as GOVERNMENT and POLITICS.
AS they have their OWN homelands, they need PASSPORTS to enter ours. Even YOUR country demands outsiders carry passports,eh?

Starfire says:
Why do you keep saying they're like CHILDREN? I have friends...I know leaders...even SCIENTISTS.

Starfire is told:
Again, They are AMERICANS. Not savages. Our blacks live AWAY from families for 11 months. They live HERE in single hostels...
They PREFER that to living home. They have NO instinct for family. No feelings of LOVE.

Starfire says:
That doesn't sound right.

Starfire is told:
You're the one who HELPED our men, eh? You did GOOD, miss. Real good.
You SAVED lives, miss...We thank you.
All of South Africa wants to thank you.
And DON'T let the reporters make you NERVOUS...You KNOW how they are...always with the questions...always ready to lay blame....

Starfire says:
I know about reporters. I know what they've said about the Titans in the past.
But I also know what you people are saying is WRONG. I may be NAIVE about Earth, but I'm NOT stupid.
I haven't said much until now because I didn't understand and couldn't believe what I was hearing.
But I've traveled THROUOUT the universe...I've seen more than ANY of you have.
And I know a LIE when I hear one.
Those people you're beating up aren't any different than you.
But you're in CONTROL and all you're doing is trying to keep others in LINE so you can maintain your control.
I'm not going to listen to your lies any longer

Starfire also says:
No, You want to take ADVANTAGE of my beng here. You don't CARE about me. ...Otherwise your ASSISTANT wouldn't be HOLDING that rifle, would he?
I never CARED about politics before. I've never even heard of South Africa, and I don't CARE to hear about it now. I'm LEAVING.
Throughout the Universe, you tyrants all act the same.
You try to INTIMIDATE those who don't believe by using FORCE.
Well, that doesn't work with ME.

Starfire thought:
Dick once told me about World War 2 and the concentration camp tortures...
...I thought people LEARNED from those atrocities.
I thought those things didn't happen any more.
I thought this planet GROWN UP!
There are OTHERS here.......Political prisoners, not criminals.
But they're not staying prisoners.
And after helping Sonto, I'm coming back..
...And I'm going to finish what I began.
I've never really looked around, never really CARED what was happening on Earth.
But this is MY planet now, too.
And I've GOT to care.
Unwittingly, my father helped RUIN our world by caving in to our enemies rather than fighting for what was right.
I won't do that here on Earth.
I've got to CARE.


issue #2
Starfire says:
I - I was so angry at the way this country treat its people....
...so mad at their tortures and perverted laws that I lashed out without thinking, without reason.

and, my God, I -- I killed the one man who could have helped this country see the truth.
I killed Father Mandutu.

Starfire thinks:
How many times have Dick and Donna WARNED me about my PASSIONS?
How many times have I ignored them? And now...And now, a good man has died..because of me!
This place is MADNESS....This country is corrupt and evil....because it PRETENDS to something...something BETTER.
And I let my power take control of me like this government uses its power to let a minority control the MAJORITY.
How different things are when you UNDERSTAND the truth. At first, I saw blacks torturing other blacks - setting a pregnant woman on FIRE.
It was horrible...unjustified, even by the excuses they gave for their actions.
They said she was an informer.
But then I learned the pain they suffer daily.
Their lives are filled with horrifying desperation.
Father Nelson Manutu did what he could to help his people..
...And because of that he was kidnapped.
...but that makes no difference.
Then, mad and almost mindless, I destroyed everything I could to rescue him...only to kill him in the process.

I have to think this through....to understand what's happened and what I've done.
If only, I knew where Dick was.
He could help me now.
When I've tried my most to HELP, EVERYTHING has gone wrong.
I wanted to save Tamaran, instead I nearly destroyed it.
I wanted to free these people from tyranny, and I killed their leader.
On Tamaran our people believed in the DUAL sides of man.
That one LOVES those close to you, and HATES those who are our enemies.
And when we fight, we fight to win.
There are no compromises.
I've lived with those beliefs all my life, and I've never QUESTIONED their truth.
But now, here on Earth, I'm forced to...because I can't accept the RESULTS of my actions.
And I can't LIVE with myself after what I have done.
I'm no longer Tamaranean....What was right there is NOT right here.
Like it or not, I've become an EARTHLING.
So I have to accept the CONSEQUENCES of my actions.
And though I intended to do good...
...What I did was anything but.
Dick, what you've wanted all these months has finally happened.
I've accepted your ways...completely without reservations.
And now that I have...
...We will never see each other again.

Starfire thought:
Dick always says I should think LOGICALLY.
I'm going to do that now.
And maybe CLEAR UP what happened.
Why was Madutu in that building ALONE?
Nobody else was found.
Maybe his wife Adia is right ---It was a setup.
It would be easy to GOAD me into attacking.
They knew how ANGRY I was...and a little checking around would tell them I USUALLY give-in to my temper. Sometimes all too quickly.
Which means that they HAD to know what I was coming.

Starfire did some investigating.
She forced the white South African soldiers to reveal the location of the police computers.
She checked files on Mandutu, and she found out that he was a major voice to end their racist ways.
She found the document showed on television without an original.
She goes to the morgue.
After seeing a bullet hole in Father Mandutu's head, she realized that she didn't kill him and that she was being used.
She was made to believe that she killed him.

Starfire says:
They DID use me..
Made me believe I killed him.
They've convinced everyone else that I'm a MURDERER!
Maybe I should become one.
Maybe I should find them, and --
No! I won't. I can't
I'm no longer Tamaranean....I can't allow my EMOTIONS to overwhelm me to the point of wanting to kill my foes.
There are other ways.
Dick and Donna have tried to CONVINCE me of that for years, but I had to come to that decision myself.

speaking to the dead Father Manitu, she says:
Father, your life was spent teaching others that the open hand was more powerful than the clenched fist.
You've helped teach ME that as well.
Rest well, Mandutu. You're life's work has NOT died with you.

She confronts the captain, picks him up, and flies off with him after he threatens the black South African people
She forced the South African captain to tell the truth about what really happened on television

She says in front of the black South Africans and being televised:
Nobody is going to die today.
Not even you, though the idea sorely TEMPTS me more than you could know.
But I want people to know the truth.
I want them to know what YOU did.
It's only when the LIES are stripped away, when the TRUTH can be seen and understood....can there be FREEDOM.
Nelson Mandutu was killed by a BULLET. He was dead BEFORE I ever got to that building.
But you put him there knowing I'd come charging in and blow up everything without thinking.
You USED me and tried to use the blacks by inciting them to riot...so your men could MURDER them with impunity.
But that won't work now, captain.
You can't hold back the truth, and you can't withhold freedom forever.
The countries of the free world are refusing to go along with the policies of apartheid.
The days of supremacy of one race over another are OVER. And it's just a matter of time before this disgusting system COLLAPSES of its own evil.
Then the rebuilding will start.
The blacks will gain the SELF-RESPECT which you people have torn from them.
Father Mandutu said that slaves have ALWAYS tossed off the shackles of repression and gained the freedom they craved.
History is on OUR SIDE, Captain. Freedom will be theirs, and nobody, not you or this government or any other DICTATOR can hold it back.
The march for peace will continue.

Starfire was told that the government said that the captain was working on his own and they say they will be prosectued.
Starfire wants to stay in South Africa and help Adia Mandutu, but she is told she can do more for them by letting others know the truth.
The story ends with Starfire flying away from South Africa
with
The greatest good comes not from the closed fist...
..but from the open hand.

In the story, Starfire came to the realization that killing is wrong and there is other ways to deal with enemies.
She also learned the importance of restraint and thinking logically.
She did grow in a way that helped her live life on Earth and be more compatible with Dick.
She thought of herself as an Earthling ,and she lived like one.

[Restingvoice]

I like this one better

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Not sure about the pink yoga pants in the other picture, but I like her clothes here, It's casual and understated, but not ugly like the club clothes. I like the steel armband, and that hair is gorgeous.

Raven's black cloak looks good. until she lifts off her arms and you see that it's like tattered rags and she wears casual clothes that show her belly button. I'm not expecting her to wear the high slit dress, she's like 14, but instead of scary she comes off like adorable teenager playing dress up. Well, the character's young so that characterization is not bad, actually. Just on that picture she looks good.

[Kon93]

3 different looks

short poems about fire

[Rac7d*]

Wish she was orange but it's better than what she was wearing. I'm more concerned with her character depiction rather than her look. So far I don't care or know anything about this version of Starfire other than they fact that she is involved with criminals on the other side of the world and laughs when she kills people.

their is no such thing as orange people so did you want