IMPERIUS REX! Namor Appreciation

[Reviresco]

I'd rather see Namor in an FF movie than a Black Panther movie. Don't think we'll see him in the next 5 years at least, though.

I wonder if Kimmel is turning Namor into a joke just to raise his profile.

I don't know. It could be that's the way Kimmel expresses his wish Marvel HAD put Namor in a movie. But I think he is just taking the easy joke.

IF we see Namor in a movie, or TV, it will be a while. But an announcement could happen next year -- IF Feige wanted to use Namor.

Again, despite my hopes otherwise, I think the Aquaman pretty much knocked out any hope for a Namor movie. BUT, it may pay off for the comics, inspiring creators and editors to see the full potential of a Namor comic. No more of this utter nonsense from Brevroot that people don't relate to underwater Atlantis stories.

And if there was a really great Namor book, it could translate to a movie appearance. Look at Winter Soldier and Hickman's Black Order showing up in the movies.

[Spiderfang]

I don't know. It could be that's the way Kimmel expresses his wish Marvel HAD put Namor in a movie. But I think he is just taking the easy joke.

IF we see Namor in a movie, or TV, it will be a while. But an announcement could happen next year -- IF Feige wanted to use Namor.

Again, despite my hopes otherwise, I think the Aquaman pretty much knocked out any hope for a Namor movie. BUT, it may pay off for the comics, inspiring creators and editors to see the full potential of a Namor comic. No more of this utter nonsense from Brevroot that people don't relate to underwater Atlantis stories.

And if there was a really great Namor book, it could translate to a movie appearance. Look at Winter Soldier and Hickman's Black Order showing up in the movies.

Um why would it knock out any hope of seeing Namor? Yea maybe people might think Marvel ripped of DC, but there's no reason Namor couldn't be a team-up player appearing primarily in Avengers and other titles.

[ArsonoptiX]

I'm liking this Defenders of the Deep angle Aaron is going with Namor. I've always enjoyed the kingship antagonism BP and Namor have had and feel they have a real dust up coming up. It'd be epic to see Wakanda and atlantis really have a go at each other. I'd love to see Namor in the MCU...and if he debuts there it's a lock he'll probably pop up in BP because he could serve as an antagonist/ x-factor before helming a film. I will say his current look would look good in real life. Marvel has already been dropping seeds so we know Atlantis is out there...

[LordUltimus]

Um why would it knock out any hope of seeing Namor? Yea maybe people might think Marvel ripped of DC, but there's no reason Namor couldn't be a team-up player appearing primarily in Avengers and other titles.

I'd be lying if I said I don't hold the tiniest scrap of hope that he'd show up in a Fantastic Four movie.

[Reviresco]

Um why would it knock out any hope of seeing Namor? Yea maybe people might think Marvel ripped of DC, but there's no reason Namor couldn't be a team-up player appearing primarily in Avengers and other titles.

I was mainly talkling about a Namor solo movie. So far I haven't seen anything Marvel has done that could be called following or copying DC and them doing a Namor movie would be the first, especially since the Aquaman movie just appropriated too many elements of Namor to make a Namor movie unique. I don't see Namor just showing up to join a team, by himself, without some sort of explanation. There's got to be a royal Atlantean connection.

[Reviresco]

I'm liking this Defenders of the Deep angle Aaron is going with Namor. I've always enjoyed the kingship antagonism BP and Namor have had and feel they have a real dust up coming up. It'd be epic to see Wakanda and atlantis really have a go at each other. I'd love to see Namor in the MCU...and if he debuts there it's a lock he'll probably pop up in BP because he could serve as an antagonist/ x-factor before helming a film. I will say his current look would look good in real life. Marvel has already been dropping seeds so we know Atlantis is out there...

No thanks. I'm beyond tired of seeing Namor and Atlantis getting trashed to make Wakanda look good. Black Panther should pull a worthy antagonist from his own rogue's gallery.

I very much want to see Namor in the MCU, showing off the amazing tech and cities that we saw in Aquaman, instead of how they are being portrayed in the comics, as a bunch starving, trident carrying, nomads that everyone on the surface world can invade easily.

Defenders of the Deep could be interesting, but right now, it looks like they are nothing more than cardboard canon fodder for Squadron Supreme.

[Spiderfang]

I was mainly talkling about a Namor solo movie. So far I haven't seen anything Marvel has done that could be called following or copying DC and them doing a Namor movie would be the first, especially since the Aquaman movie just appropriated too many elements of Namor to make a Namor movie unique. I don't see Namor just showing up to join a team, by himself, without some sort of explanation. There's got to be a royal Atlantean connection.

They could just build up to one, I don't think that Aquaman holds the sole position as underwater monarch-person. It may just take a while, like MCU Phase 5 or 6.

[ArsonoptiX]

No thanks. I'm beyond tired of seeing Namor and Atlantis getting trashed to make Wakanda look good. Black Panther should pull a worthy antagonist from his own rogue's gallery.

I very much want to see Namor in the MCU, showing off the amazing tech and cities that we saw in Aquaman, instead of how they are being portrayed in the comics, as a bunch starving, trident carrying, nomads that everyone on the surface world can invade easily.

Defenders of the Deep could be interesting, but right now, it looks like they are nothing more than cardboard canon fodder for Squadron Supreme.

Really? My frustration is that no one has been brave enough to let Wakanda and Atlantis REALLY go at it. They've each got their licks in but haven't really been able to cut loose (and Namor has come out on top a few times). These are two kings who could/should be friends but dislike each other and needle one another. Only a marriage could keep these two from a devastating war. I think Marvel has done a good job at keeping it fairly even scorewise between the two. This Defenders of the Deep though...this could give me the dust up I've been wanting for years.

As far as the MCU...I think BP could be the perfect doorway for Atlantis and it could give Namor and T'challa a much better relationship than what they have in the comics.

[Reviresco]

They could just build up to one, I don't think that Aquaman holds the sole position as underwater monarch-person. It may just take a while, like MCU Phase 5 or 6.

Another ten years. Ouch.

Well, he is the sole underwater monarch person in the superhero field. Barring Abe-Sapiens, who isn't a royal or have any times to Atlantis in the movies. But sure, Marvel could do some things with Namor, and come up with a better movie -- I did think the casting for Aquaman was off -- but between the setting and other elements, they would definitely be fighting against Aquaman.

I'll have to think on it while I'm out shopping today.

[Leon Evelake]

In random things of amusement to me, I realized that today it will be 20 years since i started collecting comics. I had some flirtations comics was given a reprint of spidermans first fight with mysterio when i was pretty young, read my uncles copy of the death of superman and even bought a single issue (well my mom did for me) the last issue of what if.
But nothing really made me want more, or at least enough to spend money monthly
The on christmas eve my cousin gave be a copy of thor # 4 from the heros return era.

I already liked both Thor and Namor from the fantasitc four and hulk animated series ( i also had some trading cards) and my dad had told me about Namor since he was his favorite character when he read comic
So getting a issue with both characters was perfect.

Now its 2 decades later weird to think

[ImperiusWrecked]

Really? My frustration is that no one has been brave enough to let Wakanda and Atlantis REALLY go at it. They've each got their licks in but haven't really been able to cut loose (and Namor has come out on top a few times). These are two kings who could/should be friends but dislike each other and needle one another. Only a marriage could keep these two from a devastating war. I think Marvel has done a good job at keeping it fairly even scorewise between the two. This Defenders of the Deep though...this could give me the dust up I've been wanting for years.

As far as the MCU...I think BP could be the perfect doorway for Atlantis and it could give Namor and T'challa a much better relationship than what they have in the comics.

Ok, I want to respond but I don't want to seem confrontational which sometimes I can get since I am very passionate about this character so I'm going to make a small rant/bullet points about why T'challa and Namor need to stop being shoved together for the sake of them fighting. I do not mean to be harsh or disrespectful to you or your opinions but only want to state my own thoughts.

1. Namor and T'challa's first meeting was retconned so that a young T'challa met and fought Namor (in Rise of the Black Panther #3) instead of that first Invaders/Avengers meeting/fight from the 70's Invaders run.


2. Namor and T'challa have NEVER been on equal ground when it comes to fighting or attacks on the other's nation.

- The first time they 'went at it' was because Namor was possessed by the phoenix force, he hadn't iirc ever attacked Wakanda before, and the most the had with T'challa was a few misunderstanding fights, and they each had a healthy respect for each other that mainly had them ignoring the other unless they needed to work together, they weren't best buddies but they respected each other as monarchs. Namor even gave T'challa and Storm an island for their wedding/honeymoon gift. Later he welcomed them to Atlantis when they needed to speak where he revealed that he HAD once been in Wakanda and met T'challa's grandfather (Black Panther 2005 #21) but because of his multiple head wounds/amnesia had trouble remembering stuff.

- Phoenix Namor's attack on Wakanda was B.S. pure and simple, he had no reason to attack them if he wasn't under the phoenix power, they hadn't hurt Atlantis and Namor was manipulated by Emma who was also under the phoenix power. T'challa had no reason to side with the Avengers to hide Hope especially considering the long and well known stance of Wakanda not interfering with outsiders. The writers just wanted to have a big 'stake' for their comic and of course now it's the main thing Namor is remembered for and also the thing that has come back time and time again to hurt Namor's character and make it seem like he was a war mongering tyrant King. The whole phoenix five event was badly written imo especially for Namor's character. They just said, well that guy attacks the surface all the time so this is in character for him. The rest of the Five don't have to deal with this stuff even now meanwhile it's done nothing but make Namor T'challa's enemy.

- Shuri attacks Atlantis because of the destruction of Wakanda. Even though Namor tried to make peace, and she attacks them in WATER and supposedly has the power to overwhelm them and weaken Atlantis? Sorry, but they live in water they should have been at their full strength to fend them off even without Namor. This is another example of Marvel writers weakening Namor and Atlanteans just so that a surfacer can win.

- Namor then begs? on his knees? to save his people and lies??? By pointing Proxmia towards Wakanda to attack them in his stead? I'm sorry but this is B.S. too. Namor is so notorious for not begging or even thanking people properly, he would never do that in front of an enemy because that would show weakness, and Namor really doesn't lie, he is one of the most honest characters and it often gets him on the bad side of other characters since he is very frank with his opinions and thoughts but the most damning thing is that Namor is sending SOMEONE else to have his vengeance. That right there, I don't believe, because Namor wouldn't let anyone have what he considers his right/duty to war/fight for his people. He is always the first one to throw himself on the front lines for Atlantis and her people. Now don't get me wrong, there were many aspects of Hickman's run that I did like but he honestly didn't write classic Namor, he used Namor and sealed the characters fate to forever be Wakanda's and Black Panther's enemy.

3. The problem with Hickman's run is that it ends with everyone on earth who died being alive again/the reset the time to just before the first incursions which if that was true and time was altered to return to the beginning of that event then Namor would have never destroyed planets, and the S.S. wouldn't have had to kill Namor in their book, but you know I try not to look too much into how comic timelines work because its a mess but Hickman's ending didn't help Namor, only now it made Namor the Squadron Supreme's whipping boy. They also destroyed Atlantis and then Namor just forgives them when he is brought back to life? *sigh* I get very frustrated with that.

4. Namor is never given equal ground in T'challa's books ever. When he is shown or spoken of it's always about the attack and of course it would be since that is all the history they have and Namor is their enemy so he would never be shown in a good light for long. Even in Black Panther Annual (2018) #1 It's shown a future of Wakanda where (surprise surprise) Atlantis had been destroyed by who knows what this time and Namor seeking refuge for his people within Wakanda, later Namor watches T'challa have his own family and wants one of his own and then its decided to have a marriage between their people for future peace. While this whole thing is just an glimpse into one future, it irks me because it once more sets up the fact the Atlantis can't defend itself and Namor is treated as though he never wanted marriage or a family before because that is untrue, he has always wanted that. But it is a Black Panther comic and so seeing Atlantis having to rely on T'challa's good will instead of rebuilding themselves shows once more how I feel Namor is always on unequal footing.

Marvel keeps killing Atlantis and Atlanteans, and contrary to the belief that most people seem to have, Namor has never needed Tchalla as an enemy, he has so many other enemies and allies, however it seems that T'challa needing Namor as his most powerful rival is something everyone wants. As far as I am concerned, its done and over, let's move on, let's stop killing Atlantis, let's stop having Namor be the S.S. or B.P. enemy and please for the love of comics I really hope Namor is never made to be B.P. mcu villain because all that will do is fuel another 20 years of b.p. vs namor storylines instead of story lines about Atlantis and its people and Namor's own story and world building.

[ImperiusWrecked]

Just wanted to share some Christmas holiday panels of Namor since it's tomorrow:

holiday namor 4.jpg

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[ImperiusWrecked]

Just wanted to share some Christmas holiday panels of Namor since it's tomorrow:

holiday namor 4.jpg

holiday namor 5.jpg

holiday namor 6.jpg

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Honestly this one always makes me laugh. lol

[Spiderfang]

Another ten years. Ouch.

Well, he is the sole underwater monarch person in the superhero field. Barring Abe-Sapiens, who isn't a royal or have any times to Atlantis in the movies. But sure, Marvel could do some things with Namor, and come up with a better movie -- I did think the casting for Aquaman was off -- but between the setting and other elements, they would definitely be fighting against Aquaman.

I'll have to think on it while I'm out shopping today.

I don't see why Marvel/Disney wouldn't give him his own film eventually unless they just feel he isn't as big of a draw as the others, they should at least introduce him as an ally in an Avengers film or something.

[DragonsChi]

Ok, I want to respond but I don't want to seem confrontational which sometimes I can get since I am very passionate about this character so I'm going to make a small rant/bullet points about why T'challa and Namor need to stop being shoved together for the sake of them fighting. I do not mean to be harsh or disrespectful to you or your opinions but only want to state my own thoughts.

1. Namor and T'challa's first meeting was retconned so that a young T'challa met and fought Namor (in Rise of the Black Panther #3) instead of that first Invaders/Avengers meeting/fight from the 70's Invaders run.


2. Namor and T'challa have NEVER been on equal ground when it comes to fighting or attacks on the other's nation.

- The first time they 'went at it' was because Namor was possessed by the phoenix force, he hadn't iirc ever attacked Wakanda before, and the most the had with T'challa was a few misunderstanding fights, and they each had a healthy respect for each other that mainly had them ignoring the other unless they needed to work together, they weren't best buddies but they respected each other as monarchs. Namor even gave T'challa and Storm an island for their wedding/honeymoon gift. Later he welcomed them to Atlantis when they needed to speak where he revealed that he HAD once been in Wakanda and met T'challa's grandfather (Black Panther 2005 #21) but because of his multiple head wounds/amnesia had trouble remembering stuff.

- Phoenix Namor's attack on Wakanda was B.S. pure and simple, he had no reason to attack them if he wasn't under the phoenix power, they hadn't hurt Atlantis and Namor was manipulated by Emma who was also under the phoenix power. T'challa had no reason to side with the Avengers to hide Hope especially considering the long and well known stance of Wakanda not interfering with outsiders. The writers just wanted to have a big 'stake' for their comic and of course now it's the main thing Namor is remembered for and also the thing that has come back time and time again to hurt Namor's character and make it seem like he was a war mongering tyrant King. The whole phoenix five event was badly written imo especially for Namor's character. They just said, well that guy attacks the surface all the time so this is in character for him. The rest of the Five don't have to deal with this stuff even now meanwhile it's done nothing but make Namor T'challa's enemy.

- Shuri attacks Atlantis because of the destruction of Wakanda. Even though Namor tried to make peace, and she attacks them in WATER and supposedly has the power to overwhelm them and weaken Atlantis? Sorry, but they live in water they should have been at their full strength to fend them off even without Namor. This is another example of Marvel writers weakening Namor and Atlanteans just so that a surfacer can win.

- Namor then begs? on his knees? to save his people and lies??? By pointing Proxmia towards Wakanda to attack them in his stead? I'm sorry but this is B.S. too. Namor is so notorious for not begging or even thanking people properly, he would never do that in front of an enemy because that would show weakness, and Namor really doesn't lie, he is one of the most honest characters and it often gets him on the bad side of other characters since he is very frank with his opinions and thoughts but the most damning thing is that Namor is sending SOMEONE else to have his vengeance. That right there, I don't believe, because Namor wouldn't let anyone have what he considers his right/duty to war/fight for his people. He is always the first one to throw himself on the front lines for Atlantis and her people. Now don't get me wrong, there were many aspects of Hickman's run that I did like but he honestly didn't write classic Namor, he used Namor and sealed the characters fate to forever be Wakanda's and Black Panther's enemy.

3. The problem with Hickman's run is that it ends with everyone on earth who died being alive again/the reset the time to just before the first incursions which if that was true and time was altered to return to the beginning of that event then Namor would have never destroyed planets, and the S.S. wouldn't have had to kill Namor in their book, but you know I try not to look too much into how comic timelines work because its a mess but Hickman's ending didn't help Namor, only now it made Namor the Squadron Supreme's whipping boy. They also destroyed Atlantis and then Namor just forgives them when he is brought back to life? *sigh* I get very frustrated with that.

4. Namor is never given equal ground in T'challa's books ever. When he is shown or spoken of it's always about the attack and of course it would be since that is all the history they have and Namor is their enemy so he would never be shown in a good light for long. Even in Black Panther Annual (2018) #1 It's shown a future of Wakanda where (surprise surprise) Atlantis had been destroyed by who knows what this time and Namor seeking refuge for his people within Wakanda, later Namor watches T'challa have his own family and wants one of his own and then its decided to have a marriage between their people for future peace. While this whole thing is just an glimpse into one future, it irks me because it once more sets up the fact the Atlantis can't defend itself and Namor is treated as though he never wanted marriage or a family before because that is untrue, he has always wanted that. But it is a Black Panther comic and so seeing Atlantis having to rely on T'challa's good will instead of rebuilding themselves shows once more how I feel Namor is always on unequal footing.

Marvel keeps killing Atlantis and Atlanteans, and contrary to the belief that most people seem to have, Namor has never needed Tchalla as an enemy, he has so many other enemies and allies, however it seems that T'challa needing Namor as his most powerful rival is something everyone wants. As far as I am concerned, its done and over, let's move on, let's stop killing Atlantis, let's stop having Namor be the S.S. or B.P. enemy and please for the love of comics I really hope Namor is never made to be B.P. mcu villain because all that will do is fuel another 20 years of b.p. vs namor storylines instead of story lines about Atlantis and its people and Namor's own story and world building.

I agree with everything you have said here. I think of myself more so neutral in the Namor and T'Challa matter but all of your points are factual. T'Challa has his own villains he should use them. If he can't have a good film without Namor then frankly the film should fail. However, T'Challa is fine since there are plenty of other villains he can mine.