Hulk vs Thor

[JakeDCReader]

So I was watching the avengers movie the other day and it got me thinking... You know that scene where Thor and The Hulk start fighting what would happen if that fight was allowed to go on? Who would win? I was discussing this with my brother and he claims that in a comic book (he was excessively vague as to which) that The Hulk throws Thors hammet back at him if someone can give me a reference that would rock. But yeah what do you think... Thor or Hulk?
Much Love,
Jake xx

"Its not who I am, but what I do that defines me"

[pinoypanzer]

Here is a blog that tallies up every Hulk vs Thor fight up until 2011.
http://hero-envy.blogspot.com/2011/09/hulk-vs-thor.html

As long as Thor is just using physical strength they are largely portrayed as equals. If Thor starts using the more hax powers of his hammer then it's a different story.

[Haquim]

Here is a blog that tallies up every Hulk vs Thor fight up until 2011.
http://hero-envy.blogspot.com/2011/09/hulk-vs-thor.html

As long as Thor is just using physical strength they are largely portrayed as equals. If Thor starts using the more hax powers of his hammer then it's a different story.

If one goes by the showings in comic book issues Hulk leads by a huge. In terms of powers it's true that Thor can do a lot more things than Hulk can but as far as Strength goes Thor is only the Hulk equal until the Hulk gets enraged. A sufficiently enraged Hulk can literally break reality open.

[ThunderingHammer]

And a "WARRIORS MADNESS" Thor can give Thanos a beat up and resist an INFINITY GEM. Not to mention Thor has the FAR greater feats of strength. Lifting a serpent three times the size of the earth. Resisting a and defeating the gravitational forces of a a singularity akin to a neutron star. So yeah hulk is waaaaayyyyy beneath thor even strength wise. Regardless of his rage. Marvel just props him up too much. Also, the hammers powers are actually thor's focused abilities. The hammer is enchanted to return, absorb energy, and the Uru makes it nigh indestructible. But all the other powers are Thors. Otherwise it'd say "whosoever holds this hammer, if HE be worthy, shall possess the power of mjolnir". But it doesn't.

[Haquim]

And a "WARRIORS MADNESS" Thor can give Thanos a beat up and resist an INFINITY GEM. Not to mention Thor has the FAR greater feats of strength. Lifting a serpent three times the size of the earth. Resisting a and defeating the gravitational forces of a a singularity akin to a neutron star. So yeah hulk is waaaaayyyyy beneath thor even strength wise. Regardless of his rage. Marvel just props him up too much. Also, the hammers powers are actually thor's focused abilities. The hammer is enchanted to return, absorb energy, and the Uru makes it nigh indestructible. But all the other powers are Thors. Otherwise it'd say "whosoever holds this hammer, if HE be worthy, shall possess the power of mjolnir". But it doesn't.

The "warrior madness" Thor you are talking about HAD the power gem (stole it from Drax) and GOT BEATEN by Thanos anyway (Thanos then went toe to toe with Odin, he was losing but defendend himself quite well). Hulk at his strongest cannot stay on a planet because his mere movements risk destroying it. As far as strength is involved Hulk strength simply has NO UPPER LIMIT, so no, Thor is weaker than Hulk, period.

Edit: if you want "feats" Hulk destroyed a meteorite bigger than heart, held up a whole muntain chain, and his regeneration is so powerful he can actually reform even if disintegrated (check how the Maestro survived being killed the first time)

[ThunderingHammer]

The "warrior madness" Thor you are talking about HAD the power gem (stole it from Drax) and GOT BEATEN by Thanos anyway (Thanos then went toe to toe with Odin, he was losing but defendend himself quite well). Hulk at his strongest cannot stay on a planet because his mere movements risk destroying it. As far as strength is involved Hulk strength simply has NO UPPER LIMIT, so no, Thor is weaker than Hulk, period.

Well that's fine and dandy. I haven't reread the story in a while so I won't argue on the Thanos thing right now. But you avoided the resistance of the Mind gem. And saying there is "NO UPPER LIMIT" doesn't mean anything. Proof in canon is what matters and you didn't show or tell anything that hulk has done to upstage the strength feats for thor that I gave. So Hulk is weaker: PERIOD!

So thor isn't stronger huh? Tell that to the serpent enhanced hulk who was supposed to be on par with WWH and got his butt hurled across the planet with one strike. And it's ridiculous to argue over whose stronger because one hero fights universal threats on a daily basis and the other has trouble with a giant headed green guy and the abomination. Really? Further, Thor has actually defeated a full powered juggernaut. WWH, the "most powerful" version couldn't. He had to trick his way out of the fight. Also, that WWH stuff you're referencing is rather irrelevant. Stepping on the ground to destroy a planet because you're so overpowered makes no sense as any number of people could levitate his ass into space and he's done. Not really impressive.

[Nomads1]

There have been some pretty cool Thor/Hulk battles, such as in the classic Avengers/Defenders War (Defenders #10, to be more specific) and in Hulk #300. However, Thor #385 clearly shows that, on strength alone, Thor might hold his own against the Hulk for a while, but he never gets the upper hand. As such, the general consensus has always been that Hulk is the strongest there is, but Thor's hammer makes him more powerful. At least it was this way when continuity counted for something. Nowadays, a writer can come in and have Thor beat the crap out of Hulk, and another writer will come in two weeks later and have the Hulk slap him silly.
Drifting on a tagent here, we have never actually seen a REAL drag out, hold no barrels fight between Hulk and Hercules (there were a couple of such encounters, but other people always got in the way or one of them wasn't at his peak). I'm pretty sure the no upper limit of the Hulk would give him the edge, however they don't call Herc the Prince of Power for nothing.

Peace

[ThunderingHammer]

Even the movie goes so far as to show you that Thor isn't going for the kill strengthwise. He was trying to restrain the hulk imploring him to calm down. And he easily cracked that cage with one blow. Rocking the entire hellicarrier in the process which was already in bad shape. Further, Thor looks great throughout the whole battle. Never once seems taxed or even beaten. Hulk, for all his rage was bleeding when the chitauri ganged up on him. Where was his rage then?

[CoLA]

Even the movie goes so far as to show you that Thor isn't going for the kill strengthwise. He was trying to restrain the hulk imploring him to calm down. And he easily cracked that cage with one blow. Rocking the entire hellicarrier in the process which was already in bad shape. Further, Thor looks great throughout the whole battle. Never once seems taxed or even beaten. Hulk, for all his rage was bleeding when the chitauri ganged up on him. Where was his rage then?

Hulk gave him a bloody nose during the fight.

[Qwathings]

And he easily cracked that cage with one blow. Rocking the entire hellicarrier in the process which was already in bad shape.

Thor didn't rock the entire helicarrier. He shook the cage he was in. He didn't strike at the cage again while it was on the helicarrier, out of fear of shaking the cage loose and dropping it out of the helicarrier.

[pinoypanzer]

If one goes by the showings in comic book issues Hulk leads by a huge. In terms of powers it's true that Thor can do a lot more things than Hulk can but as far as Strength goes Thor is only the Hulk equal until the Hulk gets enraged. A sufficiently enraged Hulk can literally break reality open.

Fair enough. Unfortunately, It's also very rare to have a writer who will portray Thor using Mjolnir intelligently beyond using it to bash things. Common sense would dictate why fight the hulk in hand to hand when you can transmute him into a muffin, snipe him with planetoid blasting concussive blasts or travel back in time and punch momma banner in the baby maker while she is pregnant with bruce before the hulk can get sufficiently engraged?

[Captain Haddock]

We've never seen a proper real life fight between the two. We've seen them trying to beat each other up but that is not quite the same thing - eventually Hulk WILL be stronger even if he doesn't start that way. Assuming Thor really actually wanted to destroy the Hulk forever, he could probably manage it without Hulk even knowing it was happening until it was done, as pinoypanzer points out.

Full Powered Thor (with Mjolnir and a level head) is The Hulk WITH MAGIC. Normal vanilla Hulk wouldn't have a chance. On the other hand, Thor at that level would be pretty hard to genuinely challenge so we very rarely see it.

[Bob Probert]

Here is a blog that tallies up every Hulk vs Thor fight up until 2011.
http://hero-envy.blogspot.com/2011/09/hulk-vs-thor.html

Actually the writer seems to update these regularly.

[byc]

Did anybody tell the newbies this thread got moved to Rumbles forum? Which has strict rules about how debates are done?

Thor crushes Hulk in most cases.

[Bob Probert]

Here is a blog that tallies up every Hulk vs Thor fight up until 2011.
http://hero-envy.blogspot.com/2011/09/hulk-vs-thor.html

As long as Thor is just using physical strength they are largely portrayed as equals. If Thor starts using the more hax powers of his hammer then it's a different story.

It looks like this blog is updated daily. It's an incredible body of work, actually the whole blog is incredible.

And it says that the Hulk takes the edge. I tend to agree.