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    Default Is there anything Scarlet Witch could do to redeem herself?

    Is there anything Scarlet Witch could do to redeem herself? If not, should the character be killed off forever?

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    She could go back in time and stop herself.
    She doesn't need to be killed off. That's extreme. She can be a character who did a terrible thing.

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    She'll never be redeemed as you cannot redeem someone who commits genocide. At most she can expect is to be tolerated and to spend the rest of her life trying to better Mutantkind's place on the world and working towards ending the hate and bigotry against Mutantkind.

    Sadly she isn't doing any of that despite being on a "Unity" team and has only served to make things worse for Mutants while badmouthing them. That and she refuses to acknowledge that Mutantkind does have its own culture and even had their own Nation, Utopia, until the Avengers tore that down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sardorim View Post
    She'll never be redeemed as you cannot redeem someone who commits genocide. At most she can expect is to be tolerated and to spend the rest of her life trying to better Mutantkind's place on the world and working towards ending the hate and bigotry against Mutantkind.

    Sadly she isn't doing any of that despite being on a "Unity" team and has only served to make things worse for Mutants while badmouthing them. That and she refuses to acknowledge that Mutantkind does have its own culture and even had their own Nation, Utopia, until the Avengers tore that down.
    So if she cannot be redeemed, should she be killed off forever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Overlord View Post
    So if she cannot be redeemed, should she be killed off forever?
    Hopefully. She could achieve partial redemption by doing it herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Overlord View Post
    So if she cannot be redeemed, should she be killed off forever?
    Death is too easy, she needs to actually work to try and make a difference and help the people that she has hurt the most - Mutantkind.

    She's been an Avenger for years and the ignorant masses, who don't know that she committed genocide, love her. Yet she's done nothing with her position, or that love, that translates to helping Mutantkind. Such a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sardorim View Post
    Death is too easy, she needs to actually work to try and make a difference and help the people that she has hurt the most - Mutantkind.

    She's been an Avenger for years and the ignorant masses, who don't know that she committed genocide, love her. Yet she's done nothing with her position, or that love, that translates to helping Mutantkind. Such a waste.
    But if she cannot be redeemed, as you suggest, why not kill her off? Maybe she can partially redeem herself with a heroic sacrifice and let's face it, sometimes killing a character can move the story forward. Look at Game of Throne, would that story would have worked as well if Ned Stark stayed alive? Maybe its time for Marvel to grow beyond the need for character shields and kill certain character off to move the plot forward. I would rather have Scarlet Witch be dead, then have her be the one dimensional self hating mutant straw man so many people seem see her as. If she cannot be redeemed I do not see any real direction to take the character in and maybe she should die in that case. It seems like putting the character in an unfair place, where she cannot be redeemed, but cannot die, puts the character in limbo and limits what stories you can tell with her. The character is written into a corner, if that is the case, maybe its time to take an extreme option and kill her off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Overlord View Post
    So if she cannot be redeemed, should she be killed off forever?
    No just shown as someone who is working for redemption, not the bigoted idiot Remender is writing her as, they keep digging the hole deeper

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    To die a painful death ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    It is worth noting that after restoring Rictor's powers that she did try to form a plan to restore those of mutantkind who wanted their powers back but Cyclops stopped her leading to a chain of events in which she lost that power to reverse the spell. So basically, Cyclops and Patriot prevented her from undoing her spell.
    And since then she has worked aainst the mutants getting thier powers back and attacked the entire mutant population once again He being a stunningly ignorant bigot and unrepentant in UA doesn't help much either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sardorim View Post
    Because killing her off is too easy, she needs to spend the rest of her life for the betterment of Mutantkind. That will be her punishment and can serve some good for Mutantkind as the Scarlet Witch is a "Beloved" Avenger and has the people's popularity that could easily be used to help push the message that Mutants deserve to be treated as equals and with respect too.
    That would be hard t for her to do as long as she is being written as a ignorant bigot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sardorim View Post
    No she shouldn't because she cannot be redeemed. All she can do is serve her punishment and actually try and do good things for the people she hurt and even than it will never make up for genocide. Furthermore, doing good things doesn't erase having done bad things. If Scarlet Witch does good things for Mutantkind than she will have earned the right to be tolerated but she should never expect to be forgiven for genocide nor should she ever take up a moral high ground when it comes to Mutantkind considering that all the things she has done.
    I think you have that one right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sardorim View Post
    She'll never be redeemed as you cannot redeem someone who commits genocide. At most she can expect is to be tolerated and to spend the rest of her life trying to better Mutantkind's place on the world and working towards ending the hate and bigotry against Mutantkind.

    Sadly she isn't doing any of that despite being on a "Unity" team and has only served to make things worse for Mutants while badmouthing them. That and she refuses to acknowledge that Mutantkind does have its own culture and even had their own Nation, Utopia, until the Avengers tore that down.
    It is worth noting that after restoring Rictor's powers that she did try to form a plan to restore those of mutantkind who wanted their powers back but Cyclops stopped her leading to a chain of events in which she lost that power to reverse the spell. So basically, Cyclops and Patriot prevented her from undoing her spell.

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    The last time she did a big spell she made House of M and than caused Decimation than caused the Earth to be destroyed in Uncanny Avengers and had Mutantkind serving one of the Apoc Twins. So she cannot be trusted with that kind of power and she cannot bring back the countless Mutants she killed or pushed to suicide after they realized that their friends and/or family really died, without reason as far as they know, and/or they lost their powers due to Decimation.

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    She can't be redeemed because the people that died from losing their powers aren't alive to forgive her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Overlord View Post
    Is there anything Scarlet Witch could do to redeem herself? If not, should the character be killed off forever?
    Absolutely. She's visually fabulous and is mother to the most awesome man in the Marvel universe, so she deserves a second chance

    All she has to do is:
    a) stop treating geneocide as something people shouldn't hold against her
    b) always stand-up and fight for mutant rights; but never tell mutants what they should and shouldn't do
    c) stop treating geneocide as something people shouldn't hold against her
    d) show contrition, apologies and NEVER get angry or aggressive if people don't accept it
    e) and lastly, most importantly: STOP TREATING GENEOCIDE AS SOMETHING PEOPLE SHOULDN'T HOLD AGAINST HER



    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    It is worth noting that after restoring Rictor's powers that she did try to form a plan to restore those of mutantkind who wanted their powers back but Cyclops stopped her leading to a chain of events in which she lost that power to reverse the spell. So basically, Cyclops and Patriot prevented her from undoing her spell.
    It's ALSO worth noting... that plan involved forcing everyone to take back their mutant powers (again making huge, life changing decisions for millions because SHE thinks it's the right thing, which does sort of imply she hadn't learnt her lesson the first time).
    Last edited by Kieran_Frost; 09-15-2014 at 12:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost View Post
    Absolutely. She's visually fabulous and is mother to the most awesome man in the Marvel universe, so she deserves a second chance

    All she has to do is:
    a) stop treating geneocide as something people shouldn't hold against her
    b) always stand-up and fight for mutant rights; but never tell mutants what they should and shouldn't do
    c) stop treating geneocide as something people shouldn't hold against her
    d) show contrition, apologies and NEVER get angry or aggressive if people don't accept it
    e) and lastly, most importantly: STOP TREATING GENEOCIDE AS SOMETHING PEOPLE SHOULDN'T HOLD AGAINST HER




    It's ALSO worth noting... that plan involved forcing everyone to take back their mutant powers (again making huge, life changing decisions for millions because SHE thinks it's the right thing, which does sort of imply she hadn't learnt her lesson the first time).
    She didn't learn the third time either as she forced Mutantkind into the Apoc Twin's trap thus allowing Earth to be destroyed as the Apoc Twins only cared about Earth because there are Mutants on it and were betting on the Scarlet Witch to send all Mutants to them which she did.
    Last edited by Sardorim; 09-15-2014 at 02:26 AM.

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