Avengers/New Avengers: Time Runs Out (with spoilers)

[chamber-music]

Yellowjacket is the identity Pym has very mixed feelings about due to his past and skrull Pym's activities in that guise although like the above poster said it is Pym's most powerful suit besides the Wasp one.

[Double 0]

Since we know he's alive based on future covers.

Question: based on that first page, how far off the deep end has Tony gone?

[Mahes]

Since we know he's alive based on future covers.

Question: based on that first page, how far off the deep end has Tony gone?

Well I think it's fair to say way off the deep end. The conversation he had with Black Swan and with Jess/Natasha confirm that as well.

[XPac]

Well I think it's fair to say way off the deep end. The conversation he had with Black Swan and with Jess/Natasha confirm that as well.

It's interesting to see flashes of Steve (in armor) fighting Iron Man. I don't know if that's something which has already occured or will occur. But if it's the later, that might be an indication of how off the deep end Steve is since he's obviously willing to put aside his issues and work with everyone else at this point.

But if this is an inverted Stark, we have to remember that in Axis he was flat out trying to kill Steve. So for Stark, that's pretty off the deep end.

[xcoijoi]

If his powers were expected to be permanently burnt out, there would have been no need to stick him back in Area 87 as opposed to a regular institution.

I don't know, man. Just telling you what the story said.

[DrTraveler]

Well I think it's fair to say way off the deep end. The conversation he had with Black Swan and with Jess/Natasha confirm that as well.

I'm expecting that the fight involves Tony trying to destroy the Ultimate Universe with Steve trying to hold him off while everyone else tries to stop it the collapse.

[Mahes]

I'm expecting that the fight involves Tony trying to destroy the Ultimate Universe with Steve trying to hold him off while everyone else tries to stop it the collapse.

Circling back to how Tony is death and Steve is life? That would fit.

[Viteh]

So will this be the first incursion for the Ultimate Universe, or do you think they'll reveal someone has been dealing with the Incursions in the Ultimate Universe secretly?

[UltimateTy]

Since we know he's alive based on future covers.

Question: based on that first page, how far off the deep end has Tony gone?

Its Superior Tony so its pretty far off

[PlanetaryDevastation]

So will this be the first incursion for the Ultimate Universe, or do you think they'll reveal someone has been dealing with the Incursions in the Ultimate Universe secretly?

Yeah I was wondering how could they could have been avoiding incursions all this time.

[DrTraveler]

So will this be the first incursion for the Ultimate Universe, or do you think they'll reveal someone has been dealing with the Incursions in the Ultimate Universe secretly?

I fully expect the reveal to be Ultimate Reed or The City has been dealing with the Incursions for a while. Ultimate Reed's Ultimate Nullifer could easily destroy another Earth and considering Reed built it, it's reasonable that the City has access to it.

Though come to think about it, the Nullifer works via harnessing the birth of baby universes. It's a fairly horrible weapon. How well would that work in a multiverse that's undergoing collapse.

[DrTraveler]

Circling back to how Tony is death and Steve is life? That would fit.

It also fits the mindset of the two men. For Tony destroying the Ultimate Universe (1610?) is the clear solution. It's the only one between the 616 and survival, possibly even the beginning of a stable multiverse. For Steve, it is a line in the sand that would never ever be crossed. No compromise. Find a way to save everyone.

[vitruvian]

It also fits the mindset of the two men. For Tony destroying the Ultimate Universe (1610?) is the clear solution. It's the only one between the 616 and survival, possibly even the beginning of a stable multiverse. For Steve, it is a line in the sand that would never ever be crossed. No compromise. Find a way to save everyone.

Except he won't, since it's far, far, far from everybody being saved.

[markallenchi]

Circling back to how Tony is death and Steve is life? That would fit.

That's a great point. I remember the panel that described them as Life and Death. Those first few issues of Avengers explained that "it all started with an idea. It started with two men (Cap and Tony), one was life and one was death"

I wonder what the "ideas" are? Future Black Widow said that ideas were dying. Wonder how all that OS time travel ties back to this.

[markallenchi]

I was also reading some of the Ultimate books and they have traveled to 616 before. Evil Reed and Miles traveled to 616 to try and stop Galactus. Ultimate Tony also mentioned that the 616 universe unusually resembled the Ultimate universe. Maybe there is a reason they are the last two.