Let's address the Cassandra stuff in the Cassandra thread why don't we?
Let's address the Cassandra stuff in the Cassandra thread why don't we?
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I intend to look into the possibilities of restoring Cass' backstory elsewhere. For now, I'll agree that restoring that is important to restoring Steph's time as Batgirl: Cass was, after all, the one who gave Steph the push to get her to become Batgirl.
As for her relationship with Tim: what needs to be restored? I'm not talking about shared history; a big part of the point of this exercise is to restore as much of that history as possible; and already we've agreed that at the very least, all of her history prior to becoming Robin can be restored without significant disruption of post-Flashpoint events. So don't look at the question of whether or not she could have been Robin in terms of the current status quo; look at it in terms of much of the pre-Flashpoint history having been restored. Recall that for much of that history, she was dating Tim; that dovetails surprisingly well with their portrayal in 'Tec, only with more buildup before they took their relationship to the next level.
Rogue wears rouge.
Angel knows all the angles.
I put recently one imagen of Cass winning easily Steph(is funny)...I love both characters.. That can not bother me(itīs reality, not something crazy like D..k.. winning Jason).. For bother me you should use characters that I donīt like or I hate, something really crazy, or writers that I donīt like..
Even if Barbara is Batgirl, this is one IMPORTANT Thing of both girls story.. Suddenly, the Titans existed thanks to Titans Hunt... And as you mentioned Tim was Robin again.. Damian has 13 years now... DC can add that this happened(in some way) during the last 3 years, no? Restoring the existence of these roles you donīt restore all the Steph/Cass comics events but is something..
They can mention something like that Steph and Cass were batgirls like 6 months(barbara was oracle during this time and then, she returned as batgirl) could work, is only change a little N52 Barbara past...
But I donīt trust in DC with this.. Cass is not one character with 15 years now? She need more age for this... I can only trust that DC will put this again if YJ adds Cass in the season 4 and both characters are enought succefuls for add this again..
Last edited by adrikito; 11-12-2017 at 06:14 AM.
The exclusion of Steph and Cass from the Batgirls group has been my biggest consistent complaint about the book for years. It's so unnecessary.
I agree - Cass is essential to any discussion of the Batgirl character, and you should not discuss Babs or Steph without talking about the way she made it possible for Batgirl to be considered a viable solo title.
I agree about Steph's relationship with Tim. We don't really have a good handle on what Tim's career is like, now - some version of the n52 happened (but obviously not all of it, or all in the same way), so we don't have a good handle on how Steph intertwined with that. As of now, though, I'm going to imagine that some version of Robin 1-100 happened.
To clarify - the reason I object to the Cass knocking Steph out scene was never because I think Steph can beat Cass in a fight. It's because the whole comic is incredibly disrespectful to Steph, which I don't think fits Cass's character or her care for Steph.
As for how old Cass is - I thought she was 16, and Steph is 17. I don't know for sure how old Cass and Steph were in pre-Flashpoint canon - Steph was about 16-17 when she started being Spoiler (at least, I think she was - she was supposed to be about a year older than Tim), and about 19 when she became Batgirl. I've always thought Cass should be about a year around Steph's age - so between 18-20 when she was Black Bat. But because of the nature of her origin, I don't know if they ever actually hammered down her age.
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It's honestly just depressing the amount of people I've encountered who just assume that Babs was the first Batgirl with her own title.
Adrikito is referring to the scenes from #28, not #27. And I know you don't like #27, but #28 is a strong candidate for the best team-up of the two.
Pre-FP, at the end, Cass was 19/20 and Steph was 19. Currently, I have no idea about Steph (Probably 16-17 though), and Tynion has described Cass on different occasions as 14, 15, 16 and 17.
It is really depressing. Especially since you have all four boy Robins. I know I always bring it up, but if they can explain Jason and Damian, they can explain Steph and Cass.
Haha. The shifting ages. Cass is probably 15, until the end of Doomsday Clock, and then, like Damian in Rebirth, she'll jump forward a billion years all at once.
Yep!
"We're the same thing, you and I. We're both lies that eventually became the truth." Lara Notsil, Star Wars: X-Wing: Solo Command, Aaron Allston
"All that is not eternal is eternally out of date." C. S. Lewis, The Four Loves
"There's room in our line of work for hope, too." Stephanie Brown
Stephanie Brown Wiki, My Batman Universe Reviews, Stephanie Brown Discord
"We're the same thing, you and I. We're both lies that eventually became the truth." Lara Notsil, Star Wars: X-Wing: Solo Command, Aaron Allston
"All that is not eternal is eternally out of date." C. S. Lewis, The Four Loves
"There's room in our line of work for hope, too." Stephanie Brown
Stephanie Brown Wiki, My Batman Universe Reviews, Stephanie Brown Discord
I put the purple Robin but... We can see the S of spoiler.. MY MISTAKE, is spoiler with Robin style costume.
Last edited by adrikito; 11-14-2017 at 06:03 AM.
Huh. Y'know, I've never thought of Steph with a domino mask, but it actually works surprisingly well .
I think it works better then the ninja mask because it gives her Spoiler eyes while still allowing for showing her face. If we can't get the actual Spoiler mask, then I'd prefer this to the ninja mask.
Imagine that Spoiler is... A BOY(sorry, is not Stephen) in one alternative universe, this can be his appearance:
Even with the purple, he looks a serious character:
dc_remake_spoiler.jpg
I saw this in deviantart, similar to Steph past..
https://malfar.deviantart.com/art/DC...iler-713702030
Last edited by adrikito; 11-17-2017 at 01:00 PM.