Waffletastic Stephanie Brown Appreciation (Spoiler/Robin/Batgirl/Spoiler again)

[adrikito]

Good! Steph should be taller than Tim "I'm super short" Drake.

In that case... She will be Taller than the 2 last generations of Robin..

[millernumber1]

Steph was never taller than Tim. Moreover, he is still in his formative years. XDXD

Hedcanon.

http://stephaniebrown.wikia.com/wiki/Profile
http://stephaniebrown.wikia.com/wiki/Tim_Drake

Also, Steph is 5'5" (according to most recent reference materials), and Tim is in some versions also that tall. He's also been 5'6", and many other heights. The 2016 DC Comics Encyclopdia does say that Batman Beyond Tim Drake is 6 feet tall, which matches Bat-Tim from A Lonely Place of Living, so your "still growing" point is fair.

Still maintain that Steph should be taller. Just because it's funny.

[shadowsgirl]

Hedcanon.

http://stephaniebrown.wikia.com/wiki/Profile
http://stephaniebrown.wikia.com/wiki/Tim_Drake

Also, Steph is 5'5" (according to most recent reference materials), and Tim is in some versions also that tall. He's also been 5'6", and many other heights. The 2016 DC Comics Encyclopdia does say that Batman Beyond Tim Drake is 6 feet tall, which matches Bat-Tim from A Lonely Place of Living, so your "still growing" point is fair.

Still maintain that Steph should be taller. Just because it's funny.

It would seem weird. I just always find it odd when a girl is taller than her boyfriend. Maybe I'm old-fashioned.

[millernumber1]

It would seem weird. I just always find it odd when a girl is taller than her boyfriend. Maybe I'm old-fashioned.

It is definitely unusual. But not wrong, I think.

But every single artist I've seen has agreed with you - I've never seen art in the comics showing Steph as taller than Tim. Usually they show her as being an inch or two shorter.

[shadowsgirl]

It is definitely unusual. But not wrong, I think.

But every single artist I've seen has agreed with you - I've never seen art in the comics showing Steph as taller than Tim. Usually they show her as being an inch or two shorter.

At least they have normal heights. Poor Cassandra..... she totally looks like a midget.

[millernumber1]

At least they have normal heights. Poor Cassandra..... she totally looks like a midget.

Very true. That really confuses me, since Steph and Cass were almost always portrayed as the same height in pre-Flashpoint canon. But now she's like...under 5 feet or something.

[KrustyKid]

At least they have normal heights. Poor Cassandra..... she totally looks like a midget.

Yah, Cass's downgrade in height is downright silly to me

[adrikito]

Hedcanon.

http://stephaniebrown.wikia.com/wiki/Profile
http://stephaniebrown.wikia.com/wiki/Tim_Drake

Also, Steph is 5'5" (according to most recent reference materials), and Tim is in some versions also that tall. He's also been 5'6", and many other heights. The 2016 DC Comics Encyclopdia does say that Batman Beyond Tim Drake is 6 feet tall, which matches Bat-Tim from A Lonely Place of Living, so your "still growing" point is fair.

Still maintain that Steph should be taller. Just because it's funny.

Nothing against that... He is not Jason or Dick, they are in similar age..

It would seem weird. I just always find it odd when a girl is taller than her boyfriend. Maybe I'm old-fashioned.

We think the same.. Except she is only a few cm more taller..

[millernumber1]

Nothing agains that... He is not Jason or Dick, they are in similar age..

It's funny, though - I was chatting with one of my fellow reviewers on twitter, and she said that her headcanon is that Tim is actually older than Jason. She knows it's not actually what DC is publishing, but it's all based on an attempt to figure out everyone's ages according to how long Dick was Robin, etc.

What's really silly is the way artists use height as age shorthand. I know it's effective, but it's kinda silly to have the Robins stairstep just to show that they are in age order. I shudder to think what the Batgirls are supposed to look like if their heights are their ages.

[adrikito]

At least they have normal heights. Poor Cassandra..... she totally looks like a midget.

... Maybe Cass is now like 2 years younger than Steph.. and Cass with Steph age will be in a similar height... Tim is not 1 year younger than Steph?

[millernumber1]

... Maybe Cass is now like 2 years younger than Steph.. and Cass with Steph age will be in a similar height... Tim is not 1 year younger than Steph?

My personal understanding of the Tiny Trio's ages are:

Steph is 17 (as stated in Batman Eternal)

Tim is 16 (as stated in Batman and Robin Eternal)

Cass is...somewhere around there (as stated vaguely in Batman and Robin Eternal). I personally wish she were still about Steph's age or a little older, but I currently think she's about 16, the same age as Tim, because she was affected by Mother's gas attack, which was age restricted, while Steph didn't seem to be, though that could be because of Steph's gas mask - which is annoyingly inconsistent in how it's drawn and what it can do. (Also, no one seemed to explain how Damian wasn't affected by that, but eh. Whatevs.)

[Assam]

It would seem weird. I just always find it odd when a girl is taller than her boyfriend. Maybe I'm old-fashioned.

Well hopefully that stops seeming weird to you sooner rather than later.

Where I live, it isn't unusual at all to see. Mind you, where I live, cisgender people are the minority.

Yah, Cass's downgrade in height is downright silly to me

It's quite ridiculous. And yet the most recent DC Encyclopedia still has her listed as 5'5".

If I had faith in Tynion on this end, I'd say he wasn't just doing this to have the short master martial artist trope/cilche, and that he actually had something up his sleeve a la Fullmetal Alchemist; have her get taller as she accepts herself more as a person and less as a weapon, that kind of thing.

[millernumber1]

It's quite ridiculous. And yet the most recent DC Encyclopedia still has her listed as 5'5".

If I had faith in Tynion on this end, I'd say he wasn't just doing this to have the short master martial artist trope/cilche, and that he actually had something up his sleeve a la Fullmetal Alchemist; have her get taller as she accepts herself more as a person and less as a weapon, that kind of thing.

I really don't know how much control Tynion has over heights and stuff. He's very enthusiastic about how much control his artists have - so if I had to guess, I'd say that Barrows was like, "CASS IS TINY NOW," and Tynion was like, "Um, okay," and then everyone who followed had to go with Barrows's template.

Things that must have happened...

(Also, Barrows also said, "THIS MASK IS STUPID FOR STEPH, SHE'S LEAVING IT OFF IN THIS SCENE." A lot. )

[Assam]

while Steph didn't seem to be, though that could be because of Steph's gas mask - which is annoyingly inconsistent in how it's drawn and what it can do. (Also, no one seemed to explain how Damian wasn't affected by that, but eh. Whatevs.)

It must be really hard to defend BoP and BRE sometimes.

But nah, seriously, how did bloody knockout gas work on Cass and Steph (And several others) in BOP?

[millernumber1]

It must be really hard to defend BoP and BRE sometimes.

But nah, seriously, how did bloody knockout gas work on Cass and Steph (And several others) in BOP?

No, I'm really with you on this one, and I'm actually liking the storyline pretty well so far. Like...they should have told Roge Antonio, "WE'RE GOING WITH BARROWS HERE - STEPH TOOK OFF HER MASK FOR REASONS."

(I really like this random all caps script for my comic creator's fake conversations for some reason.)

It's not hard at all! For Birds of Prey, I just defend the awesome muscles Claire Roe drew, and the fact that they actually do continuity with pre-flashpoint and love to include lots of characters, and for Batman and Robin Eternal, I just defend all the stuff that Ed Brisson didn't write. Haha. That's unfair. There are so many specific issues and moments I love about BRE, which I think are unfairly undervalued. Does it have serious problems and a really dumb ending with Mother turning into a ninja for no reason? Absolutely. But #13, and Cass in general, and Steph sassing Scarecrow, and Tim saving the day at Spyral, and Damian telling the Robins about his father's vision for Robin - those and so many more are gold.