Waffletastic Stephanie Brown Appreciation (Spoiler/Robin/Batgirl/Spoiler again)

[millernumber1]

What's the source on the Damian piece? It looks a bit familiar - was that during Tony Daniel's run on Batman?

[Aahz]

What's the source on the Damian piece? It looks a bit familiar - was that during Tony Daniel's run on Batman?

Batman Annual #27 written by Fabian Nicieza.

[Aahz]

Wow, this was apparently a popular trope!

If you look at the number of stories with Dick as Robin 3 times is not that much.

[millernumber1]

Batman Annual #27 written by Fabian Nicieza.

I think I read that one.

If you look at the number of stories with Dick as Robin 3 times is not that much.

Eh. Seems like a lot.

Of course, Steph as Robin had like three stories total, so maybe that's why I think it's such a big number.

[Red obin]

Havent been here a while but feel like this thread needs more anime Steph Robin hair.

[dietrich]

Havent been here a while but feel like this thread needs more anime Steph Robin hair.

That is lovely.

[millernumber1]

Havent been here a while but feel like this thread needs more anime Steph Robin hair.

I love that cover. I'm still super happy I found the issue in good shape for $2. Considering going to Baltimore Comic Con to get it signed by Willingham - though I think I'd do it in the interiors, because I like the cover as a cover too much.

[Assam]

seriously.jpg

Lee Garbett posted this on Twitter. Apparently, there were plans to have this be a variant cover for the first issue of Steph's Batgirl book. I think if they'd actually gone with it, while it's well drawn, us Cass fans would have been even angrier. If that's possible I mean. We were pretty much on a consistent level of unrivaled rage for a good decade.

[millernumber1]

seriously.jpg

Lee Garbett posted this on Twitter. Apparently, there were plans to have this be a variant cover for the first issue of Steph's Batgirl book. I think if they'd actually gone with it, while it's well drawn, us Cass fans would have been even angrier. If that's possible I mean. We were pretty much on a consistent level of unrivaled rage for a good decade.

Interesting. I'm not sure I like that image as much as Cully Hamner's actual variant for the issue:

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It's still got the "Looks like Cass" problem, though.

However, I'm currently involved in one of the nastiest debates about Steph vs. Cass I've seen for a few months, so I'm hoping we can remember the good times right now. Steph and Cass fans should be allies, not accusing each other of personal failings for character preference.

[Assam]

However, I'm currently involved in one of the nastiest debates about Steph vs. Cass I've seen for a few months, so I'm hoping we can remember the good times right now. Steph and Cass fans should be allies, not accusing each other of personal failings for character preference.

So many ways from different sources the hate between these groups could have been avoided. If Cass had been a regular presence if Steph's book. If the majority of Steph's vocal fanbase had actually read Cass's book and weren't only familiar with BQM's Batgirl, thus seeing how close the two are. If Cass had gotten her own solo in Batman Reborn away from the Batgirl mantle so it wasn't just yet another example in a string of years of Cass getting screwed. If Gail Simone had been allowed to include her in her Birds of Prey line-up like she wanted, and wasn't denied the ability to so Morrison could have her cameo in Inc. And of course, always the most unfortunate part, if so many Steph fans hadn't been downright rude and dismissive during the years they were both missing.

Would you mind linking me to this debate? I'm curious.

[millernumber1]

It's on 4Chan. http://boards.4chan.org/co/thread/93968601
The debate is nearer to the bottom.

NSFW

[Assam]

It's on 4Chan. http://boards.4chan.org/co/thread/93968601
The debate is nearer to the bottom.

NSFW

Could have done without the Cass porn but that's what I get for looking at a 4chan thread.

Regardless, this pretty much sums up half the people in this discussion. (Swearing Warning): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGrunP_HCDg

As usual, I was able to identity you pretty quickly.

[millernumber1]

So many ways from different sources the hate between these groups could have been avoided. If Cass had been a regular presence if Steph's book. If the majority of Steph's vocal fanbase had actually read Cass's book and weren't only familiar with BQM's Batgirl, thus seeing how close the two are. If Cass had gotten her own solo in Batman Reborn away from the Batgirl mantle so it wasn't just yet another example in a string of years of Cass getting screwed. If Gail Simone had been allowed to include her in her Birds of Prey line-up like she wanted, and wasn't denied the ability to so Morrison could have her cameo in Inc. And of course, always the most unfortunate part, if so many Steph fans hadn't been downright rude and dismissive during the years they were both missing.

Would you mind linking me to this debate? I'm curious.

I completely agree that the internecine feud between Steph and Cass fans could and should have been avoided. Though I do think that for Steph to really succeed as Batgirl, Cass did need to have her own trajectory outside of Steph's book for at least the first year. That trajectory should NOT have meant "not appearing at all for a year", but I don't share the optimism that the story would have worked as well with Cass in Babs's role. That being said, I think a Cass and Steph team-up book should have been on the table after Batgirl Rising, and would likely have boosted both characters to points where they could possibly not have been erased in the n52.

Could have done without the Cass porn but that's what I get for looking at a 4chan thread.

Regardless, this pretty much sums up half the people in this discussion. (Swearing Warning): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGrunP_HCDg

As usual, I was able to identity you pretty quickly.

Well, I did say it was NSFW. But my apologies. As for being identifiable, what can I say?

[Frontier]

Spoiler will be in Young Justice: Outsiders.

[yohyoi]

We may get Spoiler in Young Justice season 3. I'm reading updates in DC Comics Reddit.