Black Panther Appreciation: Wakanda Forever!

[Mike_Murdock]

Except if this was Tchalla written on Character, they would of had it already in place and ready. You know what this would compare to?

A military unit is moving into position to attack a compound, this unit has new improved bullet proof vest designed to stop armor piecing rounds. This team gets ambushed, and while under attack, the captain gives the order for them to put on their bullet proof vest... Completely defeated the prepared planning of the best because it already Should of been ready to go. That's how stupid this tech was poorly used. They were ambushed and people were killed because they didn't already have it activated, and people want to say this is Tchalla 2 steps ahead?? I guess after all This time Coates has been on BP people have forgotten what prep Tchalla actually looks like.

There's a couple obvious differences there. One, you know for a fact people are going to be using guns in almost all situations so you'd wear the vest. Second, bullet proof vests don't require batteries. Now, obviously, it wasn't explained that this does require electricity, but it was in the off position by default and it's a reasonable guess (it would be absurd to say that Coates is required to explain every little technical detail of something on the chance a nitpick is thought of. His narrative is slow enough as is).

[XPac]

There's a couple obvious differences there. One, you know for a fact people are going to be using guns in almost all situations so you'd wear the vest. Second, bullet proof vests don't require batteries. Now, obviously, it wasn't explained that this does require electricity, but it was in the off position by default and it's a reasonable guess (it would be absurd to say that Coates is required to explain every little technical detail of something on the chance a nitpick is thought of. His narrative is slow enough as is).

Yeah, I suppose in theory Coates could have taken a few panels to explain the battery life behind the anti-telepath devices and what their policy is and how they choose to micromanage the electronic needs of whatevery they carry in their standard gear. But really, if 99% if the readers don't give a dam about something that fairly insignificant in the grand scheme of things, then it's probably not worth their time.

Sort of reminded me of back when Hudlin introduced that anti-bullet tech that stops gun. Part of me wondered how it worked since guns are such a relatively simple device I wasn't sure how it could stop them. But in the end we know all we need to know... they have tech which can stop bullets. Anything more probably isn't worth the panal time for the half dozen guys scratching their heads about it on the internet.

[Ezyo1000]

There's a couple obvious differences there. One, you know for a fact people are going to be using guns in almost all situations so you'd wear the vest. Second, bullet proof vests don't require batteries. Now, obviously, it wasn't explained that this does require electricity, but it was in the off position by default and it's a reasonable guess (it would be absurd to say that Coates is required to explain every little technical detail of something on the chance a nitpick is thought of. His narrative is slow enough as is).

Funny Joe the battery theory is now being used as if that what it was, you know in the military, equipment that use battery packs last longer then oh.. an hour or so right?


And let's change it, say a military unit has a new type of technology that, while activated, prevents landmines and IED's from going off. The team is getting into position and then they are hit by one of those, then the captain yells to turn on the gear.. same thing they didn't Know what would be there but they still had that in case but didn't have it in use.. poor planning.

My point is, it's a defensive tool, one that by it's design alone Should be active at all times. They weren't out there for days and even IF it did have a battery life (we are talking about the most advanced nation on earth here some I'm pretty sure they would have the tech to make a long lasting "charge" since this is a thing now being thown around as the reason for this screw up) if the power is so short that it HAS to be essentially activated AFTER the attack has landed (apparently it's just like his force push now were he has to be hit first rather then it being ready to use at all times) then it's poor tech to use in Actual combat as it can cost lives rather then save them.

[XPac]

Funny Joe the battery theory is now being used as if that what it was, you know in the military, equipment that use battery packs last longer then oh.. an hour or so right?


And let's change it, say a military unit has a new type of technology that, while activated, prevents landmines and IED's from going off. The team is getting into position and then they are hit by one of those, then the captain yells to turn on the gear.. same thing they didn't Know what would be there but they still had that in case but didn't have it in use.. poor planning.

My point is, it's a defensive tool, one that by it's design alone Should be active at all times. They weren't out there for days and even IF it did have a battery life (we are talking about the most advanced nation on earth here some I'm pretty sure they would have the tech to make a long lasting "charge" since this is a thing now being thown around as the reason for this screw up) if the power is so short that it HAS to be essentially activated AFTER the attack has landed (apparently it's just like his force push now were he has to be hit first rather then it being ready to use at all times) then it's poor tech to use in Actual combat as it can cost lives rather then save them.

It can theoretically be used right before an attack if they know ahead of time they are dealing with someone capable of telepathic attacks ahead of time.

The thing is even if the military had anti-land mine tech they wouldn't necessarily use it in every situation. They would use it in situations where they knew or at least suspected ahead of time there was land mines.

POint being there may be very practical reasons for how they micro manage their tech as far as power supply and such... it's just not necessarily worth the panel time for Coates to explain it.

Plus, it works better storywise. It allows T'Challa to show he can at least resist the telepathic attack without the tech, show that Storm can resist it without tech at all, and creates some degree of threat from the villains before they are ultimately defeated.

[Cville]

I thought the suit self charged as he moves around. In addition to taking physical and energy attacks. Isn't that how he uses the force push?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Al this talk of proper use of anti-telepathy tech, yet not one word about how T'Challa is now palling around with the Dogs of War, when his initial refusal to do the same led to his rift with Hunter.

Under Hickman, it made some sense. Desperate time, etc etc. Now, not so much

[Cville]

Al this talk of proper use of anti-telepathy tech, yet not one word about how T'Challa is now palling around with the Dogs of War, when his initial refusal to do the same led to his rift with Hunter.

Under Hickman, it made some sense. Desperate time, etc etc. Now, not so much

I assumed Shuri recomished them, but not as secret police. Seems like they are more special forces now.

[XPac]

Al this talk of proper use of anti-telepathy tech, yet not one word about how T'Challa is now palling around with the Dogs of War, when his initial refusal to do the same led to his rift with Hunter.

Under Hickman, it made some sense. Desperate time, etc etc. Now, not so much

I imagine the Dogs of war are used a lot more now that the DM left.

[XPac]

I thought the suit self charged as he moves around. In addition to taking physical and energy attacks. Isn't that how he uses the force push?

That's how it may work or the force push (has he used it without gettig punched yet), but we don't know kinetic energy can power all his gear. Maybe it does.

I'm don't believe that has been established for the HZ either. We haven't seen any force pushes from them, so they likely don't have the same gear T'Challa has.

[The Cool Thatguy]

That's how it may work or the force push (has he used it without gettig punched yet), but we don't know kinetic energy can power all his gear. Maybe it does.

I'm don't believe that has been established for the HZ either. We haven't seen any force pushes from them, so they likely don't have the same gear T'Challa has.

Is most of the vibranium destroyed still? Might be there's not enough to go around

[XPac]

Is most of the vibranium destroyed still? Might be there's not enough to go around

There's probably always going to be just enough to suit the story. Which means T'Challa will have as much as he needs to built whatever vibranium tech he wants or himself... but it'll basically never be enough to elevate the Wakandan red shirts from being more than red shirts.

[Cville]

Is most of the vibranium destroyed still? Might be there's not enough to go around

I thought it was processed vibranium that was destroyed. Vanisher seemed to be able to steal large quantities that were newly mined?

[Ezyo1000]

It can theoretically be used right before an attack if they know ahead of time they are dealing with someone capable of telepathic attacks ahead of time.

The thing is even if the military had anti-land mine tech they wouldn't necessarily use it in every situation. They would use it in situations where they knew or at least suspected ahead of time there was land mines.

POint being there may be very practical reasons for how they micro manage their tech as far as power supply and such... it's just not necessarily worth the panel time for Coates to explain it.

Plus, it works better storywise. It allows T'Challa to show he can at least resist the telepathic attack without the tech, show that Storm can resist it without tech at all, and creates some degree of threat from the villains before they are ultimately defeated.

Lol that's like saying Navy carriers use theirs anti missile systems when they suspect they might come under fire, rather then it already being online so that they don't have to Take a hit First before deciding it's time to activate it. The tech is attached to the habit, given what we know about Wakanda, the excuse that they didn't know what kind of attack was coming so using it after the attack hits still makes it legit is a weak at best argument. There has also never been a case where any of T'Challa tech failed due to lack of battery power, Because it's a stupid excuse and at this point a "battery" charge would be at full power since they just got to the location of the door. Also given given that they don't know the nature of the Enemies attack nake EVEN more sense to cover all your bases and have anti tech already up and running so your not caught by surprise. This is what Priest, Hudlin, McDuffie, and Liss Panther ( you know 2 steps ahead) would do in order to reduce casualties.

And what would work better story wise, would for shit to be going down and seeing Tchalla on panel saying they prepared for this type of attack and counter it effectively and showing him in control of the situation. But in continuity Panther is not what Coates wants to Champion.

[Ezyo1000]

Is most of the vibranium destroyed still? Might be there's not enough to go around

That's no longer the case as Hickman pretty much brought Vibranium back. ANAD Marvel restored Wakanda to status quo (until Coates story decided to regress this,
from the economic standpoint)

Plus plenty of stuff is supposedly powered by Vibranium, the habits force push according to Stelfreeze Should be ready to go without taking hits Because walking with store the energy. Also Kimoyo beads work through Vibranium I believe too so there is no reason that the anti tech shouldn't also work the same way, except Coates wanted to create faux stakes with his fodder.

[XPac]

Lol that's like saying Navy carriers use theirs anti missile systems when they suspect they might come under fire, rather then it already being online so that they don't have to Take a hit First before deciding it's time to activate it. The tech is attached to the habit, given what we know about Wakanda, the excuse that they didn't know what kind of attack was coming so using it after the attack hits still makes it legit is a weak at best argument. There has also never been a case where any of T'Challa tech failed due to lack of battery power, Because it's a stupid excuse and at this point a "battery" charge would be at full power since they just got to the location of the door. Also given given that they don't know the nature of the Enemies attack nake EVEN more sense to cover all your bases and have anti tech already up and running so your not caught by surprise. This is what Priest, Hudlin, McDuffie, and Liss Panther ( you know 2 steps ahead) would do in order to reduce casualties.

And what would work better story wise, would for shit to be going down and seeing Tchalla on panel saying they prepared for this type of attack and counter it effectively and showing him in control of the situation. But in continuity Panther is not what Coates wants to Champion.

Really, having a character prepared or everything and always being in control of every situation is likely not a character any writer wants to champion. Yes, the writers can make things easy for the hero so the threats are no challenge but that's never the point. Heroes will always struggle to some degree against the bad guys in stories. Readers may want Wakandan tech advanced enough to solve any problem and T'Challa 2 steps ahead of every bad guy to the point where he always has control of the situation, but for story telling purposes that's just not gonna fly. Heroes will win... but they will basically always struggle to achieve that win. The idea is never that this stuff is too easy. There always has to be a window where the heroes can possibly fail.