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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexLyo View Post
    Has anyone ever seen or attempted a robust record of WW sales figures including information on writers, artists, characters appearing in the issue etc? Would be interesting to see the trends.
    A lot of that is missing in the early runs, and large gaps after that. And they use to release the sales yearly. I'm board right now so here I go.

    If they don't have a month, then that's the circulation average of that year. Writers on the left, artists on the right.

    Robert Kanigher and Ross Andru:

    1960 - 213,000

    1961 - 230,000

    1962 - 215,000

    1965 - 209,918

    1966 - 220,168

    Robert Kanigher and Irv Novick:

    1967 - 175,000

    Bill Finger and Win Mortimer:
    Denis O'Neil and Mike Sekowsky:

    1968 - 166,365

    Mike Sekowsky (as writer and artist):

    1969 - 171,197

    1970 - 172,536

    Dennis O'Neil and Mike Sekowsky:
    Dennis 0'Neil and Dick Giordano:

    1971 - 159,263

    Dennis O'Neil and Don Heck:
    Samuel R. Delany Dick Giordano:

    1972 - 133,918

    Robert Kanigher and Don Heck:
    Cary Bates and Don Heck:
    Robert Kanigher and Ric Estrada:

    1973 - 145,771

    Len Wein and Curt Swan:
    Cary Bates and Irv Novick:
    Elliot S. Maggin and Curt Swan:

    1974 - 149,917

    Cary Bates and John Rossenberger:
    Elliot S. Maggin and John Sossenberger:
    Eillot S. Maggin and Dick Dillin:
    Martin Pasko and Kurt Schaffenberger:
    Martin Pasko and Curt Swan:
    Martin Pasko and Dick Giordano:

    1975 - 150,000

    Martain Pasko and Jose Delbo:
    Martin Pasko and Curt Swan:
    Eillot S. Maggin and Jose Deblo:

    1976 - 150,000

    Martin Pasko and Jose Deblo:
    Alen Brennert/Martin Pasko and Bob Brown:
    Alen Brennert/Martin Pasko and Michael Netzer:
    Gerry Conway and Don Heck:
    Gerry Conway and Jose Delbo:

    1977 - 151,954

    Jack C. Harris and Jose Delbo:

    1978 - 124,296

    Paul Levitz and Jose Delbo:
    Gerry Conway and Jose Delbo:
    Gerry Conway and Ric Estrada:

    1979 - 158,678

    1980 - 94,901

    Robert Kanigher and Jose Delbo:

    1981 - 83,796 (George Perez was a cover artist here, just thought it was fun to point that out.)

    Marv Wolfman and Don Heck:
    Roy Thomas/Paul Kupperberg and Gene Colan:
    Paul Levitz/ Roy Thomas and Gene Colan:
    Dan Miskin and Gene Colan:

    1982 - 96,198

    Roy Thomas/ Dann Thomas and like a bunch of artists for her #300 issue:
    Dan Miskin and Gene Colan:
    Dan Miskin and Mark Beachum:
    Dan Miskin and Don Heck:

    1983 - 73,256

    Kurt Busiek and Irv Novick:
    Dan Miskin and Don Heck:

    1984 - 52,145

    Mindy Newell and Don Heck:

    #326 March, 1985 - 3,200 (number's from Capital City Distribution only)

    That's all for Vol. 1
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    Vol. 2 here we go.

    George Perez (Writer and Artist):

    1987 - 118,550

    These upcoming numbers are misleading because they are only from Capital City Distribution, the other distributor Diamond Comic Distributors didn't release their numbers:

    #31 June, 1989 - 16,250 (George Perez and Chris Marrinan)

    #93 January, 1995 - 14,100 (William Messner-Loebs and Mike Deodato Jr.)

    Dimond Comic Distributors buys Capital City Distribution and starts releasing numbers again, so sales become more accurate.

    John Byrne (Writer and Artist):

    1996 Sales:
    #113 September - 45,247

    #114 October - 44,851

    Annual #5 October - 37,304

    #115 November - 42,361

    #116 December - 40,338

    1997:

    #117 January - 38, 514

    #118 February - 38,354

    #119 March - 36,926

    #120 April - 37,252

    #121 May - 37,081

    #122 June - 36,706

    #123 July - 38,237

    #124 August - 39,649

    #125 September - 37,133

    #126 October - 38,491

    #127 November - 38,552

    #128 December - 38,705

    1998:

    #129 January - 38,109

    #130 February - 37,049

    #131 March - 37,128

    #132 April - 39,057

    #133 May - 37,207

    #134 June - (not listed)

    #135 July - 34,582

    #136 August - 33,491

    - Christopher Priest and Mike Collins:

    #137 September - 40,471

    #138 October - 32,765

    #1,000,000 November - 31,528

    - Eric Luke and Yanick Paquette:

    #139 December - 30,432

    1999:

    #140 January - 28,487

    #141 February - 37,049

    #142 March - 37,128

    #143 April - 39,057

    #144 May - 37,207

    #145 June - (Not listed) (Matthew Clark, Artist)

    #146 July - 34,582

    #147 August - 33,491

    #148 September - 27,084

    #149 October - 24,991 (Rick Burchett, artist)

    #150 November - 23,872 (Matthew Clark, Artist)

    #151 December - 25,196 (Matthew Clark, Artist)

    2000:

    #152 January - 23,593

    -End of Eric Luke Run
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    2000:

    Mark Millar and Georges Jeanty:

    #153 February - 22,124

    Doselle Young and John McCrea:

    #154 March - 22,859

    #155 April - 22,637

    Eric Luke and Mathew Clark:

    #156 May - 22,246

    #157 June - 22,374

    #158 July - 22,427

    #159 August - 21,275

    Brian K. Vaughan and Scott Kolins:

    #160 September - 21,355

    #161 October - 21,313

    Ben Raab and Derec Aucion:

    #162 November - 25,654

    #163 December - 25,129

    2001:

    Phil Jimenez (Writer and Artist)

    #164 January - 24,741 (J.M. DeMatties co-writer)

    #165 February - 26,703

    #166 March - 27,185

    #167 April - 28,793

    #168 May - 29,986 (George Perez co-writer)

    #169 June - 33,235 (George Perez writer)

    #170 July - 36,725 (Joe Kelly co-writer)

    #171 August - 36,769 (Travis Moore co-artist)

    #172 September - 32,221

    #173 October - 35,793

    #174 November - 33,127

    #175 December - 32,042 (Brandon Badeaux co-artist)

    2002:

    #176 January - 31,093

    #177 February - 29,996

    #178 March - 28,922 (Roy Allan Martinez, artist)

    - no April

    #179 May - 27,948 (Roy Allan Martinez, artist)

    #180 June - 27,052 (Roy Allan Martinez, artist)

    #181 July - 26,588 (Gabriel Rearte, artist)

    #182 August - 26,518 (Roy Allan Martinez, artist)

    #183 September - 25,860 (Roy Allan Martinez, artist)

    #184 October - 24,987

    #185 November - 25,685

    #186 December - 24,892

    2003:

    -No January

    #187 February - 28,891

    #188 March - 25,309

    Walt Simonson and Jerry Ordway:

    #189 April - 25,905

    #190 May - 25,822

    #191 June - 25,643

    #192 July - 25,243

    #193 August - 29,942

    #194 September - 27,697
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    Greg Rucka and Drew Johnson:

    #195 October - 28,946

    #196 November - 28,927

    #197 December - 29,217

    2004:

    #198 January - 38,018

    #199 February - 29,202

    #200 March - 28,646

    #201 April - 30,420 (Shane Davis, artist)

    #202 May - 30,363 (Stephen Sadowski, artist)

    #203 June - 29,234

    #204 July - 28,040

    #205 August - 27,188

    #206 September - 27,697

    #207 October - 25,939

    #208 November - 25,698

    #209 December - 24,829

    2005:

    #210 January - 25,558

    #211 February - 24,740 (Sean Phillips, artist)

    #212 March - 30,435 (James Raiz, artist)

    #213 April - 28,972 (James Raiz, artist)

    #214 May - 31,595

    #215 June - 30,016 (Rags Morales, artist)

    #216 (& #217?) July - 53,467 (Rags Morales, artist)

    #218 August - 38,367 (Ron Randail, artist)

    #219 September - 53,460 (Artists are, Tom Derenick, Georges Jeanty, Karl Kerschl, David Lopez, Rags Morales)

    #220 October - 47,035 (David Lopez, artist)

    #221 November - 49,332 (Rags Morales/Cliff Richards, artists)

    #222 December - 47,225 (Cliff Richards, artist)

    2006:

    #223 January - 42,647 (Rags Morales/Cliff Richards, artists)

    #224 February - 45,665 (Cliff Richards, artist)

    #225 March - 42,661 (Cliff Richards, artist)

    #226 April - 45,682 (Cliff Richards, artist)
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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    A lot of that is missing in the early runs, and large gaps after that. And they use to release the sales yearly. I'm board right now so here I go.

    If they don't have a month, then that's the circulation average of that year. Writers on the left, artists on the right.

    Robert Kanigher and Ross Andru:

    1960 - 213,000

    1961 - 230,000

    1962 - 215,000

    1965 - 209,918

    1966 - 220,168

    Robert Kanigher and Irv Novick:

    1967 - 175,000

    Bill Finger and Win Mortimer:
    Denis O'Neil and Mike Sekowsky:

    1968 - 166,365

    Mike Sekowsky (as writer and artist):

    1969 - 171,197

    1970 - 172,536

    Dennis O'Neil and Mike Sekowsky:
    Dennis 0'Neil and Dick Giordano:

    1971 - 159,263

    Dennis O'Neil and Don Heck:
    Samuel R. Delany Dick Giordano:

    1972 - 133,918

    Robert Kanigher and Don Heck:
    Cary Bates and Don Heck:
    Robert Kanigher and Ric Estrada:

    1973 - 145,771

    Len Wein and Curt Swan:
    Cary Bates and Irv Novick:
    Elliot S. Maggin and Curt Swan:

    1974 - 149,917

    Cary Bates and John Rossenberger:
    Elliot S. Maggin and John Sossenberger:
    Eillot S. Maggin and Dick Dillin:
    Martin Pasko and Kurt Schaffenberger:
    Martin Pasko and Curt Swan:
    Martin Pasko and Dick Giordano:

    1975 - 150,000

    Martain Pasko and Jose Delbo:
    Martin Pasko and Curt Swan:
    Eillot S. Maggin and Jose Deblo:

    1976 - 150,000

    Martin Pasko and Jose Deblo:
    Alen Brennert/Martin Pasko and Bob Brown:
    Alen Brennert/Martin Pasko and Michael Netzer:
    Gerry Conway and Don Heck:
    Gerry Conway and Jose Delbo:

    1977 - 151,954

    Jack C. Harris and Jose Delbo:

    1978 - 124,296

    Paul Levitz and Jose Delbo:
    Gerry Conway and Jose Delbo:
    Gerry Conway and Ric Estrada:

    1979 - 158,678

    1980 - 94,901

    Robert Kanigher and Jose Delbo:

    1981 - 83,796 (George Perez was a cover artist here, just thought it was fun to point that out.)

    Marv Wolfman and Don Heck:
    Roy Thomas/Paul Kupperberg and Gene Colan:
    Paul Levitz/ Roy Thomas and Gene Colan:
    Dan Miskin and Gene Colan:

    1982 - 96,198

    Roy Thomas/ Dann Thomas and like a bunch of artists for her #300 issue:
    Dan Miskin and Gene Colan:
    Dan Miskin and Mark Beachum:
    Dan Miskin and Don Heck:

    1983 - 73,256

    Kurt Busiek and Irv Novick:
    Dan Miskin and Don Heck:

    1984 - 52,145

    Mindy Newell and Don Heck:

    #326 March, 1985 - 3,200 (number's from Capital City Distribution only)

    That's all for Vol. 1

    I can't believe you put this all together!! This is so kind, thank you thank you thank you!!

    I want to take the time to digest it to spot some trends. In general do we know the wider contextual reason why readership was so much higher in the early days? I'm generally of the understanding that comics readership overall has declined over the years, but I'm interested to know if there are specific reasons for why the difference is so stark. Perhaps the gaps in the data in terms of figures that aren't available overinflates how big the drop looks, where it would actually be a slower decline over time. But still, interested in that history as it applies here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexLyo View Post
    I can't believe you put this all together!! This is so kind, thank you thank you thank you!!

    I want to take the time to digest it to spot some trends. In general do we know the wider contextual reason why readership was so much higher in the early days? I'm generally of the understanding that comics readership overall has declined over the years, but I'm interested to know if there are specific reasons for why the difference is so stark. Perhaps the gaps in the data in terms of figures that aren't available overinflates how big the drop looks, where it would actually be a slower decline over time. But still, interested in that history as it applies here.
    There was a comic book crash in the 90's due to oversaturation, the effects of which still trickle into modern day. Basically Marvel and DC both got greedy and started printing big events and relaunching #1's left and right and started focusing more on variant covers and less on stories. (sounds kinda familiar doesn't it....)

    Marvel got hit worse, since anything that had X or Mutant in the title sold like hot cakes, (huge part of the reason TMNT is so popular). The comic industry started pooring out books that would often times have nothing to do with X-men which annoyed a lot of people. Because of all the books coming in, a lot of shops had to close due to not selling enough copies and simply running out of space to keep their back issues.

    Edit: Also in a lot of earlier runs Wonder Woman sold about 8 issues a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexLyo View Post
    I can't believe you put this all together!! This is so kind, thank you thank you thank you!!

    I want to take the time to digest it to spot some trends. In general do we know the wider contextual reason why readership was so much higher in the early days? I'm generally of the understanding that comics readership overall has declined over the years, but I'm interested to know if there are specific reasons for why the difference is so stark. Perhaps the gaps in the data in terms of figures that aren't available overinflates how big the drop looks, where it would actually be a slower decline over time. But still, interested in that history as it applies here.

    I'll also add readers have often left to read other genres in comics, back when the industry was really diverse. Superhero comics, while popular, has a history of dipping. The mid-40s-50s was romance. Donald Duck comics outsold Superman for a while. The 70s saw horror take center. There's a story in Sabrina the Teen-age Witch where the writer is poking fun at Superman comic book sales getting beat by monster comics in the 1970s. Let's not forget Blade, Man-Thing, Swamp Thing, Ghost Rider, Etrigan, all started in the 70s. Clark Kent in the comic strips married Lois Lane in the 1949 (I think it was 49).
    Just some more insight., for those who don't know.

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    I am no expert at all in this issue, but the move to specialized comic shops was tangled with the reduction in sales right? (Though not necessarily the reduction in profit since the price of the books also increased). I never understood if comics drifted towards comic book shops because the sales were lowering or if the sales started to go down because of the move to comic shops.

    And I'm sure Television and the end of the draft played a huge part on why comics became less popular. Kids had a more constant source of entertainment since televisions became more affordable (eventually even superheroes were appearing on tv) and there weren't as many soldiers in need of a cheap form of entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    I am no expert at all in this issue, but the move to specialized comic shops was tangled with the reduction in sales right? (Though not necessarily the reduction in profit since the price of the books also increased). I never understood if comics drifted towards comic book shops because the sales were lowering or if the sales started to go down because of the move to comic shops.

    And I'm sure Television and the end of the draft played a huge part on why comics became less popular. Kids had a more constant source of entertainment since televisions became more affordable (eventually even superheroes were appearing on tv) and there weren't as many soldiers in need of a cheap form of entertainment.
    I did a bit of Googling. So, comic book shops became a way for publishers to cut the cost (the 70s was a rough period for the industry). So when comic book shops became more popular, Phil Seuling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Seuling) went to DC and Marvel and proposed the idea to sell directly to comic book shops on a non-returnable basis. This is how the direct market became a thing. Hence why when you read an old Marvel comic, you might see an image of Spider-Man on the cover. That's a direct edition. It was cheaper than its newsstand edition counterpart. Most companies don't even do newsstand editions no more, from what I read. I maybe wrong on that.

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    Do we have info about the sales from the current run?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystical41 View Post
    Do we have info about the sales from the current run?
    DC doesn't release sales by unit # anymore, only by rank.

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    I don't think any of the issues from the new creative team have gone to 2nd print either, so that's some kind of info.

    I feel like she's at the 35k-25k range though. Maybe lower

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    The writers have commented that Wonder Woman is doing really well. Not sure what “really well” looks like but I’m guessing the number have gone up from the last time they were publicly released.



    I also remember the writers saying that if her sales continue at what they are now, they will be ok the book for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    The writers have commented that Wonder Woman is doing really well. Not sure what “really well” looks like but I’m guessing the number have gone up from the last time they were publicly released.



    I also remember the writers saying that if her sales continue at what they are now, they will be ok the book for a while.
    Ah, well that's somewhat reassuring! Word of mouth seems good. Maybe they'll do a Wonder event for the end of the year lol.

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    I checked the twitter for Conrad. Can't seem to find that quote about sales continuing. Might have missed it. But he said this after he got tipsy
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    He will never say sales went down, he can't. Other reviewers saw this also https://www.weirdsciencedccomics.com...75-review.html
    The thing is. Even Mariko Tamaki run was registered on comichron list :
    765 at rank 48
    764 at 63
    766 at 27
    767 at 17
    768 at 28
    769 at 20

    While their run dropped like hell
    770 rank 73
    771 rank 72
    772 rank 73
    773 is not even in top 200. And no wonder here. June to early to decide.

    Whatever Conrad is saying is irrelevant. Sales plummeted. That is certain. If they will stay for a long run we do not know, they are so far. But Wonder Woman is doing her worse in many many years.
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