Foreign superheroes tend not to sell well which is probably why JLI did not last long. Dc does need more teams where less popular heroes like Blue Beetle Jaime Reyes, Vibe, cambodian kevin kho omac, katana, tremor, katharsis, etc. can be used.
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12-26-2014, 10:25 PM #121BANNED
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12-27-2014, 12:52 AM #122Extraordinary Member
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I still disagree with you.
Originally Posted by Nipower888
These characters mention above are being shown more so, so our definition of push is abit different i guess,,but getting more of push is always a good thing.
Here is list of superheros mention.
Luke Cage
He is all over the the place in marvel.
LOOK AT HOW MANY COMICS HE IS IN.
http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=6661
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http://www.comicbookdb.com/search.ph...type=Character
I DO NOT SEE THESE SUPERHEROS AS TOKENS OR BEING TREATED AS CRAP.
So i have this Disagree with YOU.
JUST LOOK AT THE LIST AND THEIR RECENT APPEARANCES IN 2014 AND 2015.
By the way i do not mind that certain marvel superheros are more self contained like the really powerful ones.
You don't WANT alot of folks hating THEM LIKE THE SENTRY.
Keep in mind on average marvel readers are not into really powerful superheros like dc.
Of course blue marvel is my favorite superhero and i would like to see MORE of him abit more but they have done a great job telling more of his story in the mighty avengers and he has been shown alot in the mighty avengers comic,so i am not complaining about that.
By the way he is being shown more now but i do not want marvel to over do it like the sentry.
Just look at his 2015 list in link.
I heard he will be in the shield comic coming out at the end of this month but it's a cameo i think.
Blue Marvel (02 - Adam Brashear) - Chronological Listing
http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=27568
Storm (Marvel) - Chronological Listing
http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=173
Ororo Munroe
http://www.comicbookdb.com/search.ph...type=Character
Spectrum (02 - Monica Rambeau) - Chronological Listing
http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=72056
Iron Patriot/War Machine
Iron Patriot (02 - James Rhodes) - Chronological Listing
http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=72960
War Machine (Marvel)(01 - James Rhodes) - Chronological Listing
http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=4701
Ones you said that are not treated as crap or getting pushed but i will post the link.
Cap-Falcon
Captain America (Marvel)(07 - Sam Wilson) - Chronological Listing
http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=31044
Keep in mind val-zod is on earth 2 not the main earth.
http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=75049
Some are getting more pushed then others like storm,luke cage and the new captain america but all are getting some type of push or being shown more recently,so that's good thing.
I am giving you updated info and better and recent good news.
Anyway marvel is doing a good enough job with alot of the MARVEL black superheros.
Even dc COMICS recently again.
As for the asian and latino characters there has been more of them over time,the problem is many are being less push then the black superheros,but there are 4 solo comics starring latinos in marvel.
Most i think look native american/asian and the other one is a black latino.
Miles Morales.
The new ms.marvel is asian and there is a solo comic.
She is not east asian however.
You should come here.
Check OUT this forum.
Read everything in the link below by the way before you reply,but i am done here anyway and moving on.
Comics are talked about too in the link below but you may have to keep reading or go to pages 10/12-25.
THANKS.
Race and Gender in Marvel Movies - an all studios discussion
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=472035
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12-27-2014, 11:14 AM #123Mighty Member
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Dude I disagree with you. You are basically saying that asian and lantino characters aren't getting a push because of black characters when only a hand full of black characters appear and they appear in like one book. Take away might avengers book. Monica Rambeau, blue marvel, power man, and Luke cage wouldn't appear any where. Storm is an old character and has always been popular. She hasn't been pushed and if anything she is being trashed in terms of characterization. Latino and asian characters definitely should appear more and get way more pushes, but don't say it's black characters fault. Originally Posted by mace11
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12-30-2014, 06:22 PM #124All-New Member
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But has anyone brought up flamboyant Mexican superhero extraordinaire Bunker?
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12-30-2014, 06:26 PM #125Ultimate Member
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Bunker is awesome when written right. Love the fact that he truely enjoys being a superhero. Originally Posted by Constantine
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12-30-2014, 06:41 PM #126All-New Member
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What have you read that's featured Bunker? Originally Posted by Robotman
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12-30-2014, 06:58 PM #127Veteran Green Lantern
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Lobdell's Titans and Pfiefer's current titans run Originally Posted by Constantine
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12-30-2014, 07:24 PM #128All-New Member
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So, you'd recommend the current run? Originally Posted by Sirzechs
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12-30-2014, 07:37 PM #129Veteran Green Lantern
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Yes the current run is good but Bunker was portrayed better in the previous one and lets just say its not quite good. Originally Posted by Constantine
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12-30-2014, 08:24 PM #130Extraordinary Member
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No i am saying it's the black characters fault,and you miss understanding me there,but i will leave that one alone. Originally Posted by Nipower888
Okay let's talk these characters.
Monica,luke cage and blue marvel are being shown more in the other comics.
If you mean getting a push by being more of the center of the more major events like the mini-series major event comics like Avengers & X-Men: AXIS etc..in marvel then i could agree you to a point since i maybe misunderstanding you.
By the way i do not read these major event mini-series comics so someone may have a different view from you but i can't say if you are really right or wrong since i do not read them.
NOW If you mean by push,meaning not being shown that much OR NOT SHOWN OUTSIDE OF THE COMICS they are officially members in then i have still disagree with you there.
Luke cage is shown in other comics outside of the mighty avengers,and so is monica and blue marvel.
Luke cage is the one of out these however being shown the most.
Blue marvel and monica is slowly being shown more so outside of mighty avengers,but i think in the future we will be seeing them more in the other comics.
MARVEL does a better JOB with black,latino,native american,brown and asian superheros by the way and there is been more progress in marvel then dc on average.
That's one of the reasons i became more of marvel fan again then dc,and there are others reason too but that a another topic.
Black comic companies need to step up by the way as well and new black companies need to be created and stick around this time but that's another topic too.
There are african created comics but so far they only do mini-series from what i read so far.
They need to step up abit too.
As for storm i looked at her recent list and she is in other comics and it's alot but the question is, is being written good?i do not know so you may have a point there since have not read anything she is in recently.
So you make a good point if characters are written well or not even if shown more often.
Even if the character is shown alot or shown in the comics they should be written good or good enough.
I am surprise that in own comic she is not being written good,but then again someone else who is reading the storm comic may take issue with you since every one has different views.
Others maybe happy the way she is written for example,who knows.
Her comic should be promoted more but i think this is the fault of comic readers as well.
Most marvel comic readers i think know she has a comic and when her comic came out it did have higher sales,but the buying of the comic has gone down,so i do blame the readers for not sticking with it,not the company.
LETTERS SHOULD BE SEND AS WELL if readers do not like how something is written
The comics reader from my point of view are the blame in the end for low sales because one time sales were higher and many readers know this comic is out there.
I SHOULD SAY ENOUGH OF THEM DO.
Slow down on the spiderman stuff and get storm and warmachine etc...
Black characters like brother voodoo is coming back and he will in the new avengers,and black panther is there.
I thought black panther was the leader of that group.
Do you have list of avenger members in the different avengers groups recently and how many folks of color shown or in it.
I just want to get a better idea where you coming from.
Let me ask you another question to see where you are coming from.
Luke cage and monica are in the mighty avengers,but do you have other issues or a list of any other comics that they are shown in this month for example and for the last couple months?Last edited by mace11; 12-30-2014 at 09:04 PM.
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12-30-2014, 08:41 PM #131Mighty Member
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How is it black characters fault that asian and Latino characters don't get pushed? Originally Posted by mace11
Luke cage has been pushed in recent years but he is currently in one book. blue marvel and spectrum are also only in one book and they generally are shown underpowered. Black panther is only is new avengers. Brother voodoo is coming back for uncanny avengers.
Storm is written well in her own comic but everywhere else she is written like crap. Also marvel has crapped on her with how they gave her a solo.
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12-30-2014, 09:16 PM #132Extraordinary Member
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No you miss understanding me. Originally Posted by Nipower888
There are some folks that see it as problem.
When blacks and women are talked about in comics then you have others saying,why folks are talking only about blacks and women,what about latinos and asians?
All should get more of push,but my concern is for black superheros first since that's my focus.
Okay i think i know where you coming from about the push word.
When you mean push you saying that luke cage for example or monica for example should be officially in more then one book?
Instead of being just official members of the mighty avengers you want them to be in some the other avengers books too as members and even having thier own solo comic as well?Last edited by mace11; 12-30-2014 at 09:39 PM.
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12-30-2014, 09:29 PM #133Mighty Member
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I think I understand you now. I don't care if they are in only one book. I don't like luke cage so I can't speak on him but as nice as it would be for monica to have a solo I prefer quality over quantity so as long as they are written well and given the respect they deserve Im cool. I'd eleborate more but this isn't the right thread for that and I already feel like I'm distracting from the threads focus. Originally Posted by mace11
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12-30-2014, 09:31 PM #134Astonishing Member
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When was it established that Element Woman is asian? Originally Posted by nightrider
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12-30-2014, 09:34 PM #135Extraordinary Member
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If that's the case you may have point,but more so for luke cage but luke cage is in the major events books like their mini-series,blue marvel and monica so far are not and they do not have solos.
Monica is a older character then blue marvel and i think she by now should have a solo too and if iron fist could get solo so should luke again and they should be members of the other normal books instead just being guest stars from what i think you mean.
Blue marvel is still more of a recent character and his mini-series did not do that great and he is a superman type superhero.
Superman types and really powerful type superheros do not do that well in marvel on average.
It's hard for superman types to have solo's for a long time.
Hyperion is more well known and he can't get a solo and even silver surfer a superman level superhero sales are dropping.
For blue marvel it's safe enough for him to be on a team for now and even a official member in one comic.
They could show him guest starring in other comics and they are slowly doing that,but for now i think he is safe where he is at as a official member of one comic but they could show him down the road in other major events comics that are mini-series like they are doing with hyperion,but keep this in mind,the mighty avengers are more of a street level team and a independent avenger team so to certain extent they are more self contained but slowly they are being shown in other comics.
A point you mention i agree with and i was going to bring it up.
I rather have them in a few comics and written well then be all overall the place and not written well.Last edited by mace11; 12-30-2014 at 09:46 PM.
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