The FLASH TV SERIES

[regnak]

Well, I can understand feeling like you deserve more recognition for putting so much work and effort into high-profile DC Shows, even if it's hard for me to think Guggenheim deserved more recognition.

He will probably be remembered as that Olicity guy.

[j9ac9k]

Where was Ryan this whole time? She just kind of shows up conveniently and they never address why she went missing. Although she finally meets Barry, starts up a friendship with Iris, and it turns out she's already friends with the ladies from Supergirl. Also that cape transition.

I admit I wasn't paying the most attention so I thought I had missed something, but they really didn't bother explaining where she had been?

[AnakinFlair]

I admit I wasn't paying the most attention so I thought I had missed something, but they really didn't bother explaining where she had been?

She said 'Sorry I was late.' That was it.

You know, I thought that Arrow Season 8 was fantastic. Aside from the backdoor pilot episode, which was terrible, every other episode rocked. The whole season was a celebration of the show, and you could tell the love put into each episode.

Didn't watch Black Lightning, Legends, or Batwoman. But I heard that all of their final seasons were good, and that Batwoman was especially improved.

On the other end of the spectrum, there was Supergirl. Who had a decent enough first half of the final season, but it completely fell off the rails in the second half. From what I've seen and read, it felt like the writers stopped giving a damn and just wrote whatever, and left it to the actors to try and make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t.

It's still to early to really tell, but it feels like Flash is headed down that path, and that's unfortunate. I would have rather had it go out on a high note. And it still might; I just hope they can pull this up from the mediocrity it's been so far.

[Guy1]

Ah, the classic "it's a Wednesday" jokes.

[Frontier]

She said 'Sorry I was late.' That was it.

You know, I thought that Arrow Season 8 was fantastic. Aside from the backdoor pilot episode, which was terrible, every other episode rocked. The whole season was a celebration of the show, and you could tell the love put into each episode.

Didn't watch Black Lightning, Legends, or Batwoman. But I heard that all of their final seasons were good, and that Batwoman was especially improved.

On the other end of the spectrum, there was Supergirl. Who had a decent enough first half of the final season, but it completely fell off the rails in the second half. From what I've seen and read, it felt like the writers stopped giving a damn and just wrote whatever, and left it to the actors to try and make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t.

It's still to early to really tell, but it feels like Flash is headed down that path, and that's unfortunate. I would have rather had it go out on a high note. And it still might; I just hope they can pull this up from the mediocrity it's been so far.

This still doesn't feel like the final season of The Flash. It feels like just another season of the show with them spinning their wheels during story arcs.

Probably the most "final" thing is Joe leaving.

[Batgrayson]

I have been thinking this for years, but Flash, unlike Arrow, is a directionless series.

Of course, I am not saying Arrow had a detailed 8-years plan, but it was about Oliver's journey to become a better person and superhero: he faced the consequences of his actions on S5 and after Elseworlds he gave me the impression he took a different approach to life; and was in peace when he died.

By the other hand, Barry is kind of the same guy that he was on Day 1, I would like to say he gained more self confidence with the years.....but sometimes I doubt it.

He truly become a comic book character who is chained to a unchanging status quo instead of taking advantage of the "freedom" of being in a show where time passes, like in Young Justice.

There was a review which said that last time Barry grew up as a character was when he got married, on S4. By the other hand, on Legends, Mick went from just being Snart's henchman and betraying the team (twice) to being a succesful erotic novel writer, got a teenage daughter and bonding with her, found love, became the father to alien babies, and after realizing he wasn't cut to be a leader, he saved Sara by himself. The nature of Legends let characters to actually grow up.

And now I'm actually annoyed. There was a whole plot point in Batwoman Season 2, when Beth's doppelganger from another earth was stranded on Earth Prime after Crisis, and both were slowly dying because there could be only one. Now there's going to be two Ryan's just chilling on this earth, and nothing's going to happen?

That happened when 2 versions of the same person but from different universes where living on the same Earth at the same time; however Red Death is not from another Earth, she is from Earth Prime but from another timeline, just like Barry and Savitar being there at the same time.

And it happened on S1, you know when there was a Batwoman who cared about Alice :P

I loved how Ryan keep "betraying" Alice every time they teamed up; on Flash and Supergirl, Barry and Kara would be the ones betrayed by the villain and then they would need a pep talk about how their greatest power is seeing the best on people.....like it hapoened on this episode.

[j9ac9k]

I loved how Ryan keep "betraying" Alice every time they teamed up; on Flash and Supergirl, Barry and Kara would be the ones betrayed by the villain and then they would need a pep talk about how their greatest power is seeing the best on people.....like it hapoened on this episode.

I think that had more to do with the "misery porn" they heaped on Alice since the actress was good at portraying those emotions so they needed to keep her hurt and angry. Let her build trust just to keep having her lose it, rinse and repeat...

[Batgrayson]

I think that had more to do with the "misery porn" they heaped on Alice since the actress was good at portraying those emotions so they needed to keep her hurt and angry. Let her build trust just to keep having her lose it, rinse and repeat...

Better her than the main character :P

[Frontier]

I have been thinking this for years, but Flash, unlike Arrow, is a directionless series.

Of course, I am not saying Arrow had a detailed 8-years plan, but it was about Oliver's journey to become a better person and superhero: he faced the consequences of his actions on S5 and after Elseworlds he gave me the impression he took a different approach to life; and was in peace when he died.

By the other hand, Barry is kind of the same guy that he was on Day 1, I would like to say he gained more self confidence with the years.....but sometimes I doubt it.

He truly become a comic book character who is chained to a unchanging status quo instead of taking advantage of the "freedom" of being in a show where time passes, like in Young Justice.

There was a review which said that last time Barry grew up as a character was when he got married, on S4. By the other hand, on Legends, Mick went from just being Snart's henchman and betraying the team (twice) to being a succesful erotic novel writer, got a teenage daughter and bonding with her, found love, became the father to alien babies, and after realizing he wasn't cut to be a leader, he saved Sara by himself. The nature of Legends let characters to actually grow up.

I think he has grown more confident as a leader and hero even if the writers double down on him giving out speeches or handholding his villains at times.

Of course the fact that they have so many characters to give screentime/subplots too sometimes feels like it detracts from Barry.

[AnakinFlair]

I have been thinking this for years, but Flash, unlike Arrow, is a directionless series.

Of course, I am not saying Arrow had a detailed 8-years plan, but it was about Oliver's journey to become a better person and superhero: he faced the consequences of his actions on S5 and after Elseworlds he gave me the impression he took a different approach to life; and was in peace when he died.

By the other hand, Barry is kind of the same guy that he was on Day 1, I would like to say he gained more self confidence with the years.....but sometimes I doubt it.

He truly become a comic book character who is chained to a unchanging status quo instead of taking advantage of the "freedom" of being in a show where time passes, like in Young Justice.

There was a review which said that last time Barry grew up as a character was when he got married, on S4. By the other hand, on Legends, Mick went from just being Snart's henchman and betraying the team (twice) to being a succesful erotic novel writer, got a teenage daughter and bonding with her, found love, became the father to alien babies, and after realizing he wasn't cut to be a leader, he saved Sara by himself. The nature of Legends let characters to actually grow up.




That happened when 2 versions of the same person but from different universes where living on the same Earth at the same time; however Red Death is not from another Earth, she is from Earth Prime but from another timeline, just like Barry and Savitar being there at the same time.

And it happened on S1, you know when there was a Batwoman who cared about Alice :P

I loved how Ryan keep "betraying" Alice every time they teamed up; on Flash and Supergirl, Barry and Kara would be the ones betrayed by the villain and then they would need a pep talk about how their greatest power is seeing the best on people.....like it hapoened on this episode.

Okay, I thought she was from another earth. Though Savitar was a time remnant from a possible future, and I don't like thinking anyone other than a speedster could create one.

Yeah, it was season 1, wasn't it. Alice refused to leave, even after Kate left, so I got confused.

[Sutekh]

I think that had more to do with the "misery porn" they heaped on Alice since the actress was good at portraying those emotions so they needed to keep her hurt and angry. Let her build trust just to keep having her lose it, rinse and repeat...

I feel like that's part of the soap operatic misery spiral they have going on in all these shows. One show it's Thea trapped in the 'can't trust anyone' loop, another show it's Lena being all betrayed that everyone in her life hasn't shared 100% of their business with her.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Aside from the lightning throw, I was never a fan of Speed Force weapons. Still, the batarang and grapple Red Death created were cool. Still don't like those teleporting gas pellet things.

I think redeeming Grodd was weird, but I suppose it is important to close some doors when ending a show. Not every villain is going to die or get locked up, and Grodd has always been a somewhat sympathetic character on this show. Fitting end to his arc.

Joe's compromise with Cecile doesn't seem like a good deal for her. Just how far would her commute end up being?

So Ryan was okay this whole time? All right, then! I wonder how much Iris getting pregnant early will change the future. It seemed like a decent future for everyone.

Didn't watch Black Lightning, Legends, or Batwoman. But I heard that all of their final seasons were good, and that Batwoman was especially improved.

Legends had a great final episode...that just wasn't the last episode. If it ended with that one, it would have hit all the right finale notes.

I have been thinking this for years, but Flash, unlike Arrow, is a directionless series.

Of course, I am not saying Arrow had a detailed 8-years plan, but it was about Oliver's journey to become a better person and superhero: he faced the consequences of his actions on S5 and after Elseworlds he gave me the impression he took a different approach to life; and was in peace when he died.

By the other hand, Barry is kind of the same guy that he was on Day 1, I would like to say he gained more self confidence with the years.....but sometimes I doubt it.

Arrow had a built-in ending with William (who was introduced early in the series). All they needed to do was give us Ollie's entire 5 year history and have him take custody of William. The closest thing to a built-in ending for Flash was Flash's disappearance in Crisis and perhaps a first/final Thawne encounter. But the series didn't want to limit their seasons, I guess. If anything, at least Barry learned not to mess with time too much and has gotten a better handle on being a senior and seasoned hero.

[wleakr]

After enjoying the last arc, I knew this filler ep would be a let down for me. Too much talk and feelings for me, but there were a few moments that were ok.

Have no idea where they are going with Snow. Not quite human and not quite meta, so what's left? Spirit? A force of nature?

I also have the feeling the final episode will end on the happy note of child birth for the West-Allens, with family, friends and colleagues all around. Could be wrong, but that seems like the appropriate place to end the run scene-wise.

[tabo61]

Forgot about Becky.

[Frontier]

Becky! Whose luck powers were so OP they managed to resurrect her via cosmic reboot! Although all that luck and finally snagging the man of her dreams only to end up arrested for attacking him...ah, poor Becky. But she was probably one of the more memorable and likeable Meta-of-the-weeks so it was nice to see her again.

Ah yes, the classic "Barry and Iris go on a trip so the supporting cast can take the spotlight" episode. Although the supporting cast take the spotlight enough as is that you really wonder if it was even necessary. Also, Iris with dreadlocks!

It's funny how Becky doesn't think she could last in jail when she was originally in Iron Heights for...I dunno, a few weeks? Hard to gauge time on the show sometimes.

How did they get Becky out of police custody after they literally just found out her heels were the weapon? Is Cecile's pull that good? Although I guess she was able to get a criminal out of prison once, so...

So we really killed Caitlin off so we could meander through a "does Khion have powers? Who is Khion really?" storyline while Mark works through his Frost pain? I feel like there's way better uses of the shows' time. And all of Khion's chill vibes and nature comments just don't do it for me.

Cecile doesn't come off as intimidating even when her powers are working in my opinion.

So Cecile is recognizing that being so career-oriented and only seeing your kids on the weekends might be difficult...now? Instead of when Joe offered it? I mean, they're taking a lot at face value that Jenna will eventually adjust to this but it would be hard on any child that they barely see their mom because of their work.

Becky's not kidding about being able to get the money, she once casually robbed several banks with her powers!

If they're so worried about Allegra being recognized by using her powers...shouldn't she have a mask or costume at this point?

I applaud the creators for finding an excuse to get Becky in her Hazard costume again. Which is doubly amusing because it seems like she's the only female employee/dealer who has to wear fishnets instead of pants, though she's definitely got the legs for it. And then it was the perfect outfit for her to show off her powers getting back on track as we get a Luck be a Lady reprise.

Cecile helped get Allegra out of prison and on the straight and narrow and now they're roomies. Although now I'm imagining Challegra having sex in Joe's house, and...yeah.

Nice surprise baby shower, gang!