The FLASH TV SERIES

[spacegoatpurrp]

I knew Wally was gon get his speed soon as the episode started and he told his dad he wanted to be something other than an engineer ever since Flash saved him & Wells started talking about rebuilding the accelerator.

[Elmo]

I don't think it's possible for the Man in the Iron Mask to be Henry. When Barry called his mom on Earth 2 she and his dad were together at the time. Also Henry is a big guy, the Iron Mask man is skinny. My theory is that the Man in the Iron Mask is Barry's time remnant.

[Frontier]

Of course. And I will be disappointed if we don't get to see a peek of cheek.

Well, there was that time Plastique destroyed his costume...

People are creatures of habit. For the better part of a year, he was Jay to them, so it makes sense that it would be the name they default to using when referring to him. Plus, as far as any of them know, there is no "real Jay Garrick." They've yet to be given any reason to think that Jay Garrick is anything other than a fake identity Zoom made up. And even if they did know there was a real Jay . . . so what? What do they care? It's not like they know the guy.

I guess I get that, but it's still a little annoying. They know his name's not really Jay Garrick, and they know it's Hunter Zolomon, so the least they could do is call him Hunter Zolomon when talking with him.

I get they don't know there's a real Jay out there, I just expect the real Jay to be very annoyed if they talk about Zoom around him and constantly refer to him as Jay like Harry is whenever Thawne comes up .

[Zero Hunter]

I think the man in the mask is Jay Garrick, but he is Barry's grandfather from Earth 2. When they dropped the line about Garrick being Barry's moms maiden name it all made sense to me. Jay was a speedster on Earth 2 in the past and had retired and Zoom found him and took his speed. Why he slapped the helmet on him I don't know. This would bring Jay back to his more elder statemen roots if he is an old man who can not run that fast anymore.

[Sain]

WOOT!

A Flash episode hasn't given me the feels in a long time; that time has come again.

Flash hologram to keep innocent at ease and the guilty in fear, didn't expect that, pretty cool. We get that Cisco is a nerd, that 'hours of video games' line was so forced and actually came off unbelievable.

If there weren't other plots going on, the whole Dante storyline would have stood out as a weak episode by itself. I forgot to mention this for the last episode, but I've mentioned it before months back; Cisco's trauma whenever his powers are even mentioned frustrates the hell out of me. He should be the witty, people's perspective, slang using wise cracking awes-struck geek we know him to be with powers. I get the whole 'I died once by wells' thing, but c'mon. Man it is such a downer when out of all people, every time he uses his powers the mood just changes. It's picking up now, but they were taking their sweet time developing his powers as well. Btw, isn't he one of the only characters that can disrupt a speedsters powers at will in the comics? I really hope that comes into here.

That mutli-neck snapping was beastly. I thought it would be a wrap for Joe.

Zoom has your city by the marbles and your best idea is to bring your father back with you? When I saw him Wells and Joe stand next to each other for a great symbolic image of father figures I then understood, but still its a bit strange on Barry's part. Btw, the summary he told his father of why he lost his powers was cringeworthy soley because he didn't have to give them away. It's like he lied to his dad, but it was unintentional..it was the writer's fault lol SO STRANGE.

What Joe said to Wally about finding his need for speed as well as helping people was a great line of foreshadowing.

Yup, lock your cute daughter and your cute son in a room together, see what happens. lol You'll have cute grandchildren in no time. But, seriously I was hoping Wally would be at Star Labs when Barry repeated the power process, and I was also looking forward to Jesse becoming quick, so two for the price of one? SHieeeeet, sounds like a good deal to me.

[Den]

I wasn't impressed with the previous two episodes, but this one was quite good. I rather enjoyed the sub plot of Cisco trying to check on his brother. It showed a bit more of the character beyond his jokes and concerns for his powers.

And hey, is that origins we saw for Jesse and Wally?

[MykeHavoc]

I don't think it's possible for the Man in the Iron Mask to be Henry. When Barry called his mom on Earth 2 she and his dad were together at the time. Also Henry is a big guy, the Iron Mask man is skinny. My theory is that the Man in the Iron Mask is Barry's time remnant.

Alright. Let's go bit by bit here and I'll share my feelings on why it very well could be "Henry" under the helmet:

* The "Henry" under the mask is not from what has been established as "Earth 2". If you hadn't noticed, Earth 2 seems a lot more like "Earth 3" in how many role reversals are present. The masked man is from another Earth in the multiverse.

* This "Henry" is in fact Jay Garrick on his native Earth. The reveal last night that the Allen's have "Garrick" in their family tree makes it an easy deduction. Recall that Hunter admitted he slipped up when telling Caitlyn about having a doppelganger and his history. And also from very early on, he recalls Zoom stealing his speed. In both stories, he is an unreliable narrator. But he didn't pull them out of thin air. Stating that he saw a speedster on another Earth during the singularity is most likely true. It just wasn't BARRY and it wasn't EARTH 1. He saw Jay Garrick on his home Earth. And the death during child birth resulting in a different name is likely the real part that Hunter stole from Jay's actual origin.

* The prisoner has obviously been trapped for some time. He would be malnourished and not of the same build as Henry. This would obviously be achieved by hiring a different, smaller actor for the body shots. They only need his face and closeups for the big reveal.

And to add on by reiterating a point I made in a previous post:

* The man has a mask on because of either two reasons: his voice and ability to speak would ruin his identity and the rest of the charade; or, my preferred theory, that he can speak the speed formula and instantly become reconnected to the speed force. Hence why the mask specifically disables him from speaking.

And for fun, someone brought up a neat possibility a while back, but actually isn't an impossibility at this point:

* This Jay Garrick also has a doppelganger on one Earth that received the family name of Bartholomew Allen instead of Henry, known as Barry for short. This person was also struck by lightning and became a speedster. And THAT was who we saw in the original CBS Flash series from 1990.

Boom. It's all connected. Hope your mind is blown

[Anarchist]

That ending was a surprise.
Well I guess he's gonna end up in the speed force and become even faster now.

[Sighphi]

I don't know my grandmothers maiden names. (Actually, know that I think about it, I do know one of my grandmothers' maiden name, but that's neither here nor there.) And maybe Barry's grandmother was dead before he was born and he never knew her. (True of both my grandmothers.)

Sandy Hausler

So you DO know, HA!

So time travel? Multidimensional travel? Cisco hooking up with Golden Glider? All reasonable things...

Barry not knowing his dead mom's maiden name while his dad was imprisoned? That's here you draw the line at plausibility? Lol

Correct. Cause the dude is a cop on top of all of it. He EASILY can get the records of all of his family.

I think the man in the mask is Jay Garrick, but he is Barry's grandfather from Earth 2. When they dropped the line about Garrick being Barry's moms maiden name it all made sense to me. Jay was a speedster on Earth 2 in the past and had retired and Zoom found him and took his speed. Why he slapped the helmet on him I don't know. This would bring Jay back to his more elder statemen roots if he is an old man who can not run that fast anymore.

The man in the mask is Eddie Thawne.
Why?

Iris out of nowhere is all like, "let's be boyfriends!" You know with how the show is that this is not going to be THAT easy.

So you know what happened in E-2? The same thing that happened in E-1 that lead to Iris going out with Eddie except, of course, REVERSE!

Eddie disappears, kidnapped by Zoom, and because he is gone Iris ends up falling for Barry.

When Eddie 2 ends up being unmasked and saved he is going to see his Iris with Barry and he is going to say that there's nothing in this world, E-2, left for him and he hops into E-1 and then Iris-1 is going to be all confused and end up maybe falling for Eddie-2

Bonus- The reason why Eddie-2 is trapped is because Zolomon is actually possessed by Eobard Thawne, aka "The Darkness." Eobard grabbed Eddie and locked him away so timeline wouldn't be in danger.

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

James Zolomon had Jay Garrick's helmet. Were they war buddies? Did Jay save James at the cost of his own life?
James bestowed Jay's helmet to his son Hunter.
After shooting his wife Ashley, James Zolomon told his son Hunter off camera that the helmet once belonged to a great hero; Jay Garrick.

As an adult, Hunter Zolomon used the helmet and the name Jay Garrick to create the Earth-2 superhero; The Flash!

Jay Garrick is Henry Allen's mom's father. So Jay Garrick is Henry Allen's maternal grandfather.

On Earth-1 Caitlin Snow was unable to find Jay Garrick because 'Jay' is a nickname.
His TRUE name is Jason Peter Garrick. On Earth-1 Henry Allen ONLY knew his maternal grandfather by his full name; Jason Peter Garrick.

The Man in the Iron Mask could be Earth-2 Jay Garrick.
Instead of dieing during the war in which he fought along with James Zolomon, Jay not only survived but acquired speed force abilities and went MIA.
Eventually, decades later, Hunter Zolomon, as Zoom, found him. Zoom kept him alive as to one day find out how to extract Jay's speed force abilities from his body.
After learning of the Earth-2 Flash aka Barry Allen's existence and finding out who his parents were, Zoom forced Jay Garrick to wear an Iron Mask which also deprives him of the ability to speak.
Why? Because Henry Allen bears a striking resemblance to his maternal grandfather Jay Garrick!
Zoom might have figured he could make use of that fact someday as to catch Barry Allen Flash off guard.

The Man in The Iron Mask could also be the Barry Allen from the 1990's series, The Flash.
The 1990's Barry Allen Flash was portrayed by actor John Wesley Shipp who also happens to play Henry Allen; father of the Earth-1 Barry Allen Flash

HOWEVER, I am really hoping that The man in The Iron Mask will turn out to be the Barry Allen from the 1990's series, The Flash.
Also, I am hoping that Jay Garrick will be a speedster from Earth-2, who's father was the brother of Earth-2 Henry Allen's mom!
So Earth-2 Jay Garrick is actually Earth-2 Barry Allen's UNCLE!

So assuming Earth-1 Henry Allen ONLY knows his cousin as Jason Peter Garrick I am hoping that his son Earth-1 Barry Allen will eventually get to meet his Earth-1 uncle Jason Peter Garrick!

[kalorama]

I get they don't know there's a real Jay out there, I just expect the real Jay to be very annoyed if they talk about Zoom around him and constantly refer to him as Jay like Harry is whenever Thawne comes up.

Well (A) Hopefully they won't be spending much time with the "real Jay" because hopefully the real Jay won't be joining Team Flash (which has already gotten a bit overcrowded for my tastes) and (B) pretty much everything seems to annoy Harry, so I wouldn't really use his emotional responses to anything as a valid baseline.

[Frontier]

Well (A) Hopefully they won't be spending much time with the "real Jay" because hopefully the real Jay won't be joining Team Flash (which has already gotten a bit overcrowded for my tastes) and (B) pretty much everything seems to annoy Harry, so I wouldn't really use his emotional responses to anything as a valid baseline.

Fair enough, but if they are going to introduce a real Jay I would hope they take the opportunity to make him more of a real mentor and guide for Barry then Hunter as Jay was, which given who he really was that might explain why that relationship ended up as it did.

True, though the Thawne confusion seems to annoy him the most .

[kalorama]

Fair enough, but if they are going to introduce a real Jay I would hope they take the opportunity to make him more of a real mentor and guide for Barry then Hunter as Jay was, which given who he really was that might explain why that relationship ended up as it did.

True, though the Thawne confusion seems to annoy him the most .

There is no "confusion." Team Flash know he's not Thawne. He knows they know he's not Thawne. I'm pretty sure no one is confused about any of that. Team Flash refer to Thawne as Wells because, to them, he was Harrison Wells. It's really not that confusing. And his annoyance when it comes to anyone else thinking he's the E1 Wells probably has more to do with the fact that pretty much everyone outside of Team Flash that's recognized him has tried to kill him because they thought he was the other guy. Repeated attempts on your life can get pretty vexing after a while.

[kalorama]

Speaking of people trying to kill Wells, was it ever explained in last week's episode how Gray managed to find Wells in order to kidnap him?

[AdamFTF]

This is prime time TV.

But yeah, it'd be weird if he shows up next episode in full costume.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

He'll generate a suit out of Speed Force energy like Wally used to do in the comics.