The FLASH TV SERIES

[Gray Lensman]

So how come Captain Lance isn't a frothing psycho now? And he has a bad heart again where he says all he can do is push papers around, when he was running around for weeks guns blazing, breaking into buildings?

It really feels as if the Flash showrunners don't care what the Arrow showrunners are doing, and they're just undermining Arrow's story.

Oliver Queen isn't nearby, that's why. Have you seen a white wha....I mean a green arrow!

[Robotman]

tom Cavanagh has done such an amazing job going from funny, to charming, to down right terrifying.

[The Kid]

Good episode! ****'s about to go down now that they're all united against Thawne and have some idea that he's a time traveler

Btw, did anyone notice that the shapeshifter turned into a little girl. I hope that isn't implying what it might have

[Frontier]

I really think they're overdoing it with these crossovers. Once a season is enough to keep it fun, but beyond that is overkill. The tones of the two shows don't really mesh that well and it ends up forcing some of the characters to act out of character to adapt. Although this one wasn't as bad because the actual heroes didn't crossover.

How so? I thought it was nice to see Lance and Laurel interact more with The Flash cast since they didn't really get the chance to in the Arrow half of the crossover. It's not even like it was a full-on crossover, just characters from one show making plot-relevant appearances in another, like Cisco's last appearance in Arrow. It's the fun of having a shared universe .

And I don't think Lance or Laurel were acting at all out of character in this episode. You still had the tension between them over keeping Sara's death a secret, which mirrors Joe keeping Iris in the dark, which may or may not be exacerbated by her working with Oliver depending on when in the timeline this takes place. Lance was just being respectful to a fellow officer and acted like he usually does around odd stuff when around Cisco.

As for Laurel posing for a picture with Cisco in full Black Canary gear, well...I'd say it's a fair exchange for her iconic Canary Cry .

Though maybe it was just odd seeing Starling City during the day ?

[kalorama]

How so? I thought it was nice to see Lance and Laurel interact more with The Flash cast since they didn't really get the chance to in the Arrow half of the crossover. It's not even like it was a full-on crossover, just characters from one show making plot-relevant appearances in another, like Cisco's last appearance in Arrow. It's the fun of having a shared universe .

Well, I did say this one wasn't as bad as some of the others, precisely because it "wasn't a full crossover" (i.e., no Arrow). That being said . . . as others have already stated, Lance was behaving much differently here than he has been recently on Arrow. Also he seemed to take it oddly in stride when Cisco started talking about time travel and his coffee started floating out of his cup over Wells' grave. That's the kind of thing a normal person would at least ask some questions about. And professional courtesy is one thing, but covering up a potential murder on the say-so of a cop he'd never even met before is a stretch. And I don't seem to recall seeing Lauren using Sara's sonic device before, certainly not recently.

[kalorama]

tom Cavanagh has done such an amazing job going from funny, to charming, to down right terrifying.

He was good in this one. Clearly he knows something's up.

Speaking of which, why would he go through the trouble to install a secret room in STAR with a hidden door and a hidden touch pad controlled by a futuristic AI and not install some kind of locking mechanism or fingerprint/DNA ID protocol that would prevent any random person from opening it?

[Frontier]

Well, I did say this one wasn't as bad as some of the others, precisely because it "wasn't a full crossover" (i.e., no Arrow). That being said . . . as others have already stated, Lance was behaving much differently here than he has been recently on Arrow. Also he seemed to take it oddly in stride when Cisco started talking about time travel and his coffee started floating out of his cup over Wells' grave. That's the kind of thing a normal person would at least ask some questions about. And professional courtesy is one thing, but covering up a potential murder on the say-so of a cop he'd never even met before is a stretch. And I don't seem to recall seeing Lauren using Sara's sonic device before, certainly not recently.

I'm pretty sure that she used it during her debut as Black Canary, but I'm not sure if she used it consistently after that. Then again, neither did Sara...so hopefully Laurel makes better use of it now that it's officially the Canary Cry .

And away from dealing with Oliver and the Arrow, I don't think Lance really acted that much differently from how he usually is, especially considering he was interacting with a fellow officer. I can see your point about Lance's reaction to the weirdness, even if Lance has seen some weird stuff in his working with Arrow, but I think with the understanding that people would be in danger if news about this body got out, I think he would consider it. At least for a little while until things get squared away on Joe's end. And Joe did play the daughter card...

[Holacik]

He was good in this one. Clearly he knows something's up.

Speaking of which, why would he go through the trouble to install a secret room in STAR with a hidden door and a hidden touch pad controlled by a futuristic AI and not install some kind of locking mechanism or fingerprint/DNA ID protocol that would prevent any random person from opening it?

Because he's an egotistical maniac that thinks he's smarter than everyone else?

[The Darknight Detective]

So how come Captain Lance isn't a frothing psycho now? And he has a bad heart again where he says all he can do is push papers around, when he was running around for weeks guns blazing, breaking into buildings?

It really feels as if the Flash showrunners don't care what the Arrow showrunners are doing, and they're just undermining Arrow's story.

Can the Flash producers do anything with the Arrow characters without the approval of the latter's producers?

[Agent Z]

"Well, let's lock up shop everyone. Good night!"
He forgot to add: "good luck sleeping after that!"

[Triple J]

He was good in this one. Clearly he knows something's up.

Speaking of which, why would he go through the trouble to install a secret room in STAR with a hidden door and a hidden touch pad controlled by a futuristic AI and not install some kind of locking mechanism or fingerprint/DNA ID protocol that would prevent any random person from opening it?

Maybe he wanted them to find out?

It was all a setup!

[FlashEarthOne]

Can the Flash producers do anything with the Arrow characters without the approval of the latter's producers?

They have many of the same producers.

[Punisher007]

Good episode overall (Lance being likeable again, Cisco fanboying over Black Canary was funny/adorable, the villain was fairly interesting, Eddie was good, Iris was tolerable, and Grant Gustin/Danielle Panabaker continue to have great chemistry.

However, the ending was definitely a pretty big plot contrivance just to "expose" Thawne/Wells. The guy has gone through all of this trouble to hide his true identity, including killing people, and yet he:

-Keeps his "secret lair" in the same building where Barry and co work on a daily basis.
-He doesn't have a biometric lock coded to his DNA or something on the room. So apparently anyone can open it.
-He didn't bother to install any kind of alarm system in case anyone who wasn't him got in there.

That was sloppy writing.

[Gray Lensman]

Good episode overall (Lance being likeable again, Cisco fanboying over Black Canary was funny/adorable, the villain was fairly interesting, Eddie was good, Iris was tolerable, and Grant Gustin/Danielle Panabaker continue to have great chemistry.

However, the ending was definitely a pretty big plot contrivance just to "expose" Thawne/Wells. The guy has gone through all of this trouble to hide his true identity, including killing people, and yet he:

-Keeps his "secret lair" in the same building where Barry and co work on a daily basis.
-He doesn't have a biometric lock coded to his DNA or something on the room. So apparently anyone can open it.
-He didn't bother to install any kind of alarm system in case anyone who wasn't him got in there.

That was sloppy writing.

I wonder if a DNA encoded lock is off the table due to him using someone else's currently? What if he decides (quickly) that he needs a completely new face? I wonder if the lock was coded to his speed, since it was Barry who opened the room up? (Maybe he plans on becoming Barry once his speed is up to where he wants it to be? Become Barry, then vanish in the crisis but really go back to his own time?) That would explain a little (still leaves holes, but not as gaping).

[spacegoatpurrp]

So is Wally West gonna be in the finale or was that just a rumor?