The FLASH TV SERIES

[PyroTwilight]

While there's a lot of contrivances I don't find the memory one to be.

I mean very often forgotten memories are triggered by being in the same place as before for people with memory loss. Or heck even for people who suddenly find themselves remembering something because a place helps them remember it. And this is from a character who literally had his mind scrambled for an episode with no apparent explanation and similarly remembered everything he otherwise forgot afterwards because Iris was in danger (which I know is its own time tested trope but THAT one hurt me a little inside haha).

[PyroTwilight]

Why is Joe living in his great uncle's house?

Great Uncle had a favorite Great Nephew and maybe no family.

[Jim Kelly]

I just wonder if there's background information about the West family that I'd forgotten. It would seem natural that the house belonged to Joe's grandfather--but for some reason they couldn't write that into the show and they had to make it a great uncle.

[Tazirai]

One thing I did like about Hazard's characterization, was how they kept her fairly close to the comics, even though they omitted her grandfather, she did nearly bankrupt the Casino, and was portrayed as non-villainous for the most part. Here's hoping she becomes if not a regular, but a person that shows up time to time.
I am glad they didn't make her grim and gritty for no reason.

[Elegant Dreamer]

I guess Jay must be the only Speedster who doesn't need a full-blown support staff to back him up, though granted Earth-1 and Earth-2 might have more of a major Metahuman problem then Earth-3 does.

I think that would be cool if we saw Jay's support staff.

Cecile's pregnant? So Joe's now going to have a fourth kid? Wow. I wonder if their baby is going to end up becoming a named comic character (couldn't be Bart)?

I love Joe's reaction! It looked like his brain blew a fuse!

I hope they don't go the villain route with Ralph Dibny. But in the first Elongated Man story, Barry suspected that Ralph was a villain until he was proved wrong. It's probably best not to get ones hopes up, as this show will crush them.

I hope so too! I really dislike 'hero-turn-villian' theme.

[PyroTwilight]

I just wonder if there's background information about the West family that I'd forgotten. It would seem natural that the house belonged to Joe's grandfather--but for some reason they couldn't write that into the show and they had to make it a great uncle.

I think it might just be keeping with the shows theme of family not always being straightforward. Like Joe adopting Barry. Having a son he never knew about etc...


Man. Cecile getting pregnant is giving me flashbacks to Martha Kent getting pregnant back in Smallville. I hope the baby gets to survive/be OK and the like.

[RyDub]

I actually love how they went with having wally leave. Not the manner of which it was done, but really Wally needed to leave. I get people think he is the best flash or what have you but he falls flat. I like the character enough but you can't have two characters with the same exact power set as one will always prove better then the other and it gets boring. Its why Team Arrow no one has the same power set or anything. Oliver with Arrows, Felicity with tech, john with military, Wild dog kind of out there. Canary with police training and her sonic scream, Mister Terrific with tech (which differs greatly from Felicity's hers is more coding while his is more engineering) and his fighting. No one is a carbon copy of some one else. Even Team Flash, Barry has speed, Catilin frost powers and a doctor, Cisco vibe powers and engineer, Harry brilliant scientist with a different mind set as he is from another earth where the sciences at times seems slightly more advanced. Wally was kind of left nowhere. They already had a super fast guy they don't need another one.

To me Wally would have been better served as a member of the Legends. With Stein going away soon, unless they bring some one else in to merge with Jackson then jackson needs to go too. Wally was a bit of a gear head and having him take over for Jackson would be perfect. Not just that but say Wally some how gets stranded somewhere (past present or future) and needs to get back to the team he has the flash's power set to run back in time or forward in it to get to them with out the jump ship or time ship. I think that would be his best course of action.

[The Darknight Detective]

I actually love how they went with having wally leave. Not the manner of which it was done, but really Wally needed to leave. I get people think he is the best flash or what have you but he falls flat. I like the character enough but you can't have two characters with the same exact power set as one will always prove better then the other and it gets boring. Its why Team Arrow no one has the same power set or anything. Oliver with Arrows, Felicity with tech, john with military, Wild dog kind of out there. Canary with police training and her sonic scream, Mister Terrific with tech (which differs greatly from Felicity's hers is more coding while his is more engineering) and his fighting. No one is a carbon copy of some one else. Even Team Flash, Barry has speed, Catilin frost powers and a doctor, Cisco vibe powers and engineer, Harry brilliant scientist with a different mind set as he is from another earth where the sciences at times seems slightly more advanced. Wally was kind of left nowhere. They already had a super fast guy they don't need another one.

To me Wally would have been better served as a member of the Legends. With Stein going away soon, unless they bring some one else in to merge with Jackson then jackson needs to go too. Wally was a bit of a gear head and having him take over for Jackson would be perfect. Not just that but say Wally some how gets stranded somewhere (past present or future) and needs to get back to the team he has the flash's power set to run back in time or forward in it to get to them with out the jump ship or time ship. I think that would be his best course of action.

I agree, RyDub. Having Wally in a different era than Barry's would be the best thing for him.

[The Darknight Detective]

I hope so too! I really dislike 'hero-turn-villian' theme.

Same here. I despises it myself.

[PyroTwilight]

I often love hero goes villain if it at least makes some sense for said character. It's why I adored Hal Jordan as Parallax in the comics.

But do it too badly and it just seems stupid (Injustice).

[The Darknight Detective]

I often love hero goes villain if it at least makes some sense for said character. It's why I adored Hal Jordan as Parallax in the comics.

Heh. That's #1 on my despise list.

No hero who has starred in his or her own magazine or series within a comic book should ever have that happen to that character. Anything else is preferable than that, IMO. Now if it's a Terra situation as seen in The Judas Contract, that's a different story.

[Elmo]

By the stars!!!

I'm glad i don't embrace and approach art and/or a series with this mindset and have the understanding and perspective that i do. So glad.

Enjoyed and appreciated every moment of the episode!!

If you truly "just want this show to be good" then the first thing you need to realize is that it's mainly about you and your perspective and go from there while breaking down the barriers of thinking you know things and are smart, etc... trust me, you're not smart and don't know, neither do i, and on and on and we are all minuscule -- the first step on the path to wisdom is realizing and understanding that you don't know. Starting inward and remaining there until the time this isn't necessary. Following this path the next episode still won't be good, maybe the next few after, but... a while patiently following this path and reflecting from within things are destined to change perspective and outward toward everything. Don't let it be said to the universe this pathway never existed as i have opened it on this day and all it doth require is those open minded, willing and humble enough to hear and accept it.

One day... you might even be able to enjoy and appreciate every moment of this episode too. Although don't expect that in short time. I've been on this path for a very long time, relatively and not.

Sorry if I'm a little insulted by this. The whole point of art in a post-modernist society is to approach it with your own ideals, experiences, and concepts so you can apply those to whatever you're taking in. That's why art is different for different people. You can't expect everyone to sit back and enjoy everything and then claim they don't understand art when they don't enjoy it.

Yes, it is about me and my perspective. Like I said, post-modernism. Modernism is a top-down ideal and while I am a modernist in certain areas, for stuff like this it's just not right in my opinion. I'm honestly confused why you're trying to give me philosophical advice about enjoying an episode. I'm simply pointing out what I dislike. The writers of all of the DCCW shows constantly write what is the most easy for them. There are too many scenarios where characters leave a fight scene because they can't defeat a villain and this departure is written hastily and not expanded upon at all. Other things like Jesse leaving, Wally leaving, Harry coming back, Barry coming back, to me were written too conveniently.

I'm really glad you like the show man; I'm happy you're enjoying it and I hope you continue to enjoy it. I enjoy parts of the show as well. I'm a big fan of the lighter and goofier tone and the golden-agey humor really works in my opinion. I feel we are getting closer to a more comic-accurate pre-Crisis Barry Allen and I'm ecstatic about it. However, to me the writing is simply not good. And it has nothing to do with my "mindset" or not understanding what I don't know, it's simply my opinion, and I would appreciate you keeping your advice to yourself next time. Thank you.

[Elmo]

I hope they don't go the villain route with Ralph Dibny. But in the first Elongated Man story, Barry suspected that Ralph was a villain until he was proved wrong. It's probably best not to get ones hopes up, as this show will crush them.

In this universe, he's a private detective and he's going to be part of the main cast. Highly doubt he will be a villain.

[Elegant Dreamer]

Same here. I despises it myself.

Here! Here! Here's to 'No Hero Turn Villain Because They Ran Out of Ideas" Club!

[Jim Kelly]

The thing is if Ralph was on the bus and that's how he got his powers (not Gingold), then he was on the bus because Thinker wanted him there. So even if Ralph isn't an outright villain, he could be a pawn.

However, the Ralph I know is too smart to let himself be someone else's puppet. The Ductile Detective would be the one to figure out the Thinker's plan and outwit him.