The FLASH TV SERIES

[kingaliencracker]

Okay...
First rule about Flash style time travel: where we're going, there are no rules.
Second rule: if there are rules, they are on a delay. Usually. The new tile line needs time to set, time needs time to catch up, that kind of thing.
Third rume: Eobard has his own, seperate set of rules.
Fourth rule: the Legends also have their own seperate rules.

So, Savitar. Boled down to the essentials, he's basically just a bootstrap paradox with issues.



In his war against Savitar, Barry creates an army of dopplegangers, thereby accidentally creating Savitar, so basically there never was an original cause, it's justa stable time loop.

Double!Barry gets created to fight Savitar, turns evil because Original!Barry and all of his friends are assholes, Double!Barry vows revenge, and traps himself in the speedforce, from where he can influence things thoughout time, and into the distant past sets up the Savitar identity.
As per usual not understanding what is going on, team Flash releases Double!Barry, now with funky speed armour, from the Speedforce, and the war that ends up creating Double!Barry begins.

And then Barry stops that war early, Iris kills him, and he fades into nothing as the paradox become too undone for even the rules of Flash time travel to just ignore it.

Or something like that.

Believe me, I understand that the more you think about plots involving time travel elements, the more it falls apart.

Having said that, the time remnant is a pretty big gaffe in the Savitar plot.

[Frontier]

Frankly, even the writers seemed to understand how convoluted and confusing the Savitar storyline was, which is why they won't be doing time travel stories anymore.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Frankly, even the writers seemed to understand how convoluted and confusing the Savitar storyline was, which is why they won't be doing time travel stories anymore.

I wonder if Savitor's origin was meant to get rid of Barry using time clones. Because that and superspeed is a hell of a game breaker

[Carabas]

Frankly, even the writers seemed to understand how convoluted and confusing the Savitar storyline was, which is why they won't be doing time travel stories anymore.

The time remnant as a concept is a pretty big gaffe in their entire universe.

[Frontier]

Katee Sackhoff will be playing Blacksmith.

She'll be appearing in an episode titled "Girl's Night Out" with a guest appearance from Felicity.

[Midvillian1322]

Katee Sackhoff will be playing Blacksmith.

She'll be appearing in an episode titled "Girl's Night Out" with a guest appearance from Felicity.

Revoke my nerd card cause iono who Blacksmith is off the top my head

[Frontier]

Revoke my nerd card cause iono who Blacksmith is off the top my head

She was introduced during Geoff Johns' run and formed a New Rogues group out of Wally's villains.

She was also the ex-wife of somewhat obscure villain Goldface .

[Carabas]

Katee Sackhoff will be playing Blacksmith.

She'll be appearing in an episode titled "Girl's Night Out" with a guest appearance from Felicity.

Hang on, they have Danny Trejo as an interdimensional bounty hunter, and he's not Lobo?

[Osiris-Rex]

Hang on, they have Danny Trejo as an interdimensional bounty hunter, and he's not Lobo?

Yeah, why the hell not?

[feenix219]

Believe me, I understand that the more you think about plots involving time travel elements, the more it falls apart.

Having said that, the time remnant is a pretty big gaffe in the Savitar plot.

Especially considering they already had the plot set up from the year before if they had wanted to.

The time remnant was already created.

The time remnant saved the Universe, at the cost of everything dear to him.

Then Barry screwed up everything by creating Flashpoint.

What was the point of the double's sacrifice, then?

He had motive, means (he already became one with the speed force as he "died") and he was already created by Barry without any paradoxes.

It would have built on the previous years mythology, as well.

Such a waste.

[Jim Kelly]

Since time travel is impossible, there's no rules of time travel that actually exist. It's like magic. You can make up whatever rules you want for time travel or the supernatural. Nobody can say you're wrong, because these phenomena don't exist in the real world.

It's like if you write a vampire story, but you change all the rules for how vampires work. It's a certainty that a bunch of people are going to go on social media and state you're an idiot because that's not how vampires work.

Vampires don't exist. Time travel doesn't exist.

[Midvillian1322]

She was introduced during Geoff Johns' run and formed a New Rogues group out of Wally's villains.

She was also the ex-wife of somewhat obscure villain Goldface .

Lol oddly enough i know Goldface just never heard of his wife blacksmith. Know him from comics and JLU cartoon. Didnt lex f*** his face up

[Carabas]

Since time travel is impossible, there's no rules of time travel that actually exist. It's like magic. You can make up whatever rules you want for time travel or the supernatural. Nobody can say you're wrong, because these phenomena don't exist in the real world.

It's like if you write a vampire story, but you change all the rules for how vampires work. It's a certainty that a bunch of people are going to go on social media and state you're an idiot because that's not how vampires work.

Vampires don't exist. Time travel doesn't exist.

But once you as a writer put stuff that doesn't exist into your stories, you need to make up rules for how his works. You need to define how vampires work in your story, and if in the next chapter vampires start to work totally differently from how you said they worked, then you are a bad writer.

This is not a story about sparkly vampires that can walk in the sun.
This is a story about sparkly vampires that can walk in the sun that suddenly stop sparkling and start bursting into flame for no reason.
Hell, not even that. This is a story about sparkly vampires that can walk in the sun that suddenly trasnsform into be a bunch of Ewoks because uncle Joe got arrested for tax fraud.

[kingaliencracker]

Especially considering they already had the plot set up from the year before if they had wanted to.

The time remnant was already created.

The time remnant saved the Universe, at the cost of everything dear to him.

Then Barry screwed up everything by creating Flashpoint.

What was the point of the double's sacrifice, then?

He had motive, means (he already became one with the speed force as he "died") and he was already created by Barry without any paradoxes.

It would have built on the previous years mythology, as well.

Such a waste.

That makes way more sense and is very well-thought-out.

[kingaliencracker]

Since time travel is impossible, there's no rules of time travel that actually exist. It's like magic. You can make up whatever rules you want for time travel or the supernatural. Nobody can say you're wrong, because these phenomena don't exist in the real world.

It's like if you write a vampire story, but you change all the rules for how vampires work. It's a certainty that a bunch of people are going to go on social media and state you're an idiot because that's not how vampires work.

Vampires don't exist. Time travel doesn't exist.

Again, I get that the more you think about time travel plots the less they make sense and that you had to suspend significant disbelief in order to just go with the flow and enjoy the story. Regardless of that, however, this isn't even a problem with the time travel element but more of a plot hole involving the creation of the time remnant and how he ultimately became savitar. It doesn't make any sense.