Worst Showings

[master of read]

You're mixing two things there.

Naruto clone tripped over a tree root when fighting Black Zetsu wih the Mizukage and the others. Being the fair, Black Zetsu manipulated the plant life so he would trip there.

Against Kisame, he wrecked his ankle because he was unused to his new speed and went too fast.

huh. guess that's what happens when you only sleep for 3 hours.

[Anarchist]

Funny thing you're mentioning Galactus


Maybe her solo will give her some more quantifiable *feats*.

[Cyke]

Funny thing you're mentioning Galactus
~snip~

Maybe her solo will give her some more quantifiable *feats*.

Be the cover as it may, if there's one thing that I do imagine the ongoing to do, it's to provide her with a Rogue's Gallery. It could be that they have even worse toonforce powers; or it could be that they reign her in and the writer limits (or explains, or even eliminates!) her toonforce powers. And you're right, we'll probably get some feats out of it.

(I'd also like to express some love for the fact that Art Adams drew the cover, especially since he co-created the similarly ridiculous Longshot)

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Lumping Rhino in with Galactus and Thanos just shows how much of a crap Marvel doesn't give anymore. Is sad, yes.

[big_adventure]

Lumping Rhino in with Galactus and Thanos just shows how much of a crap Marvel doesn't give anymore. Is sad, yes.

You're right - those two guys just aren't in Rhino's class. I mean, he's clearly above Classic Mags, Dormammu, Ultron, Doom and Enchantress (among other lesser stars).

Worse, of course, is that Tigershark and Red Skull are somehow still conscious and ready to fight despite the bodies of the trivially defeated.

[Cyke]

You're right - those two guys just aren't in Rhino's class. I mean, he's clearly above Classic Mags, Dormammu, Ultron, Doom and Enchantress (among other lesser stars).

Worse, of course, is that Tigershark and Red Skull are somehow still conscious and ready to fight despite the bodies of the trivially defeated.

I can't believe that you're ignoring the critical fact that the Red Skull is now wearing the Joker's wardrobe!

[Surtur]

Yes, yes I did, and she does it in the same way that Popeye, Bugs Bunny, Chuck Norris, and Internet-Jackie Chan-With-A-Ladder can also beat Odin and Galactus. It doesn't make any sense because she herself makes no sense.

Twickster mentioned Longshot, which I think is a fairly decent example, but it's only happened fairly lately -- the guy managed to outmaneuver the In-Betweener with his luck powers. It was rather surreal how it happened, and nothing he's done before has ever shown his powers working on that scale, but it happened and the story handwaved the logic because there was virtually no scientific logic, only conceptual logic. In the majority of his appearances, Longshot's played more or less straight, but he now has licence to operate on a bigger scale that makes it senseless to apply him to Rumbles without stipulations.

Okay, but her best on panel feat is what? Something we can actually use. We don't know how she took down Thanos, so that is out. We have the Doom thing. What else puts her close to beating cosmics, on panel?

You compare it to Bugs Bunny, but does Bugs rely on essentially..statements? Or rather not statements, but he has actual on screen feats.

[Cyke]

Okay, but her best on panel feat is what? Something we can actually use. We don't know how she took down Thanos, so that is out. We have the Doom thing. What else puts her close to beating cosmics, on panel?

You compare it to Bugs Bunny, but does Bugs rely on essentially..statements? Or rather not statements, but he has actual on screen feats.

Sometimes he relies on posters instead, too. And the board recognizes that Bugs > Galactus even though he rarely, if ever, displayed any cosmic feats (cosmic feats tended to be handled by the animator himself, who would become a character in the story, and Bugs would call him out on it). On the same token, we don't know how spinach empowers Popeye or how its chemical composition works relation to the physics and powerlevels we've seen, but we can still count it as a viable high-end power source.

Yes, I acknowledge what you're trying to get at here with feats and such and trying to quantify the character, but in the spirit of the character, it's very much like trying to catch water with a net; in order to succeed one way or the other, you either change the premise (replace the net with a bucket, metaphorically), or you go with the flow and let the water take you. Marvel's attitude about the character seems the be the latter, hence why she beats villains who are otherwise way out of her league. For CBR purposes -- which again is rarely if ever attempted because of the very nature of Squirrel Girl -- the premise would have to be changed, because as they are right now, nothing makes sense.

I mean, one would have to consider: with all these threats flying around like Carnage and Red Skull and Sabretooth and Thanos invading the Earth and Morlun, why not just sic Squirrel Girl on them? Certainly it'd make the story simpler, right? But then doing so while trying to maintain dramatic tension means undoing her one big power, which is comedic toonforce. So,if you want a straight up rumble with her, it's either best not to include her in the first place (as Twickster notes), or to invoke stipulations (which is changing the premise, and not uncommon in Rumbles anyway). If you want a fair fight with her, stipulate that it's a straight up fight with what we've seen so far. But in essence, you're trying to quantify a joke character, which seems to make about as much sense as Squirrel Girl herself.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

You're right - those two guys just aren't in Rhino's class. I mean, he's clearly above Classic Mags, Dormammu, Ultron, Doom and Enchantress (among other lesser stars).

Worse, of course, is that Tigershark and Red Skull are somehow still conscious and ready to fight despite the bodies of the trivially defeated.

I couldn't stare at it very long. Tentacles started to shrivel up and die.

[big_adventure]

I mean, one would have to consider: with all these threats flying around like Carnage and Red Skull and Sabretooth and Thanos invading the Earth and Morlun, why not just sic Squirrel Girl on them? Certainly it'd make the story simpler, right? But then doing so while trying to maintain dramatic tension means undoing her one big power, which is comedic toonforce. So,if you want a straight up rumble with her, it's either best not to include her in the first place (as Twickster notes), or to invoke stipulations (which is changing the premise, and not uncommon in Rumbles anyway). If you want a fair fight with her, stipulate that it's a straight up fight with what we've seen so far. But in essence, you're trying to quantify a joke character, which seems to make about as much sense as Squirrel Girl herself.

Dude, she's already got a job: nanny to the Cages. And if she doesn't do that job (say, by taking care of all of the problems of Marvel 616), she will, in effect, owe Luke Cage money. And that goes even beyond her powerlevel. She knows this. She is awesome. She is Squirrel Girl.

[JCAll]

I couldn't stare at it very long. Tentacles started to shrivel up and die.

Shuma-Gorath isn't on the pile, so the tentacles should be safe.

[JCAll]

You're right - those two guys just aren't in Rhino's class. I mean, he's clearly above Classic Mags, Dormammu, Ultron, Doom and Enchantress (among other lesser stars).

Worse, of course, is that Tigershark and Red Skull are somehow still conscious and ready to fight despite the bodies of the trivially defeated.

We know that Kraven is still standing only because the world's greatest hunter has learned to avoid the world's greatest predator...squirrels.

[Blackid]

Guys, something just came to me that could make all the sense in the world.... Squirrel Girl.... is the physical embodiment.... of TOAA..... (im'a let you just marinate on it a bit)...

[Surtur]

Sometimes he relies on posters instead, too. And the board recognizes that Bugs > Galactus even though he rarely, if ever, displayed any cosmic feats (cosmic feats tended to be handled by the animator himself, who would become a character in the story, and Bugs would call him out on it). On the same token, we don't know how spinach empowers Popeye or how its chemical composition works relation to the physics and powerlevels we've seen, but we can still count it as a viable high-end power source.

Yes, I acknowledge what you're trying to get at here with feats and such and trying to quantify the character, but in the spirit of the character, it's very much like trying to catch water with a net; in order to succeed one way or the other, you either change the premise (replace the net with a bucket, metaphorically), or you go with the flow and let the water take you. Marvel's attitude about the character seems the be the latter, hence why she beats villains who are otherwise way out of her league. For CBR purposes -- which again is rarely if ever attempted because of the very nature of Squirrel Girl -- the premise would have to be changed, because as they are right now, nothing makes sense.

I mean, one would have to consider: with all these threats flying around like Carnage and Red Skull and Sabretooth and Thanos invading the Earth and Morlun, why not just sic Squirrel Girl on them? Certainly it'd make the story simpler, right? But then doing so while trying to maintain dramatic tension means undoing her one big power, which is comedic toonforce. So,if you want a straight up rumble with her, it's either best not to include her in the first place (as Twickster notes), or to invoke stipulations (which is changing the premise, and not uncommon in Rumbles anyway). If you want a fair fight with her, stipulate that it's a straight up fight with what we've seen so far. But in essence, you're trying to quantify a joke character, which seems to make about as much sense as Squirrel Girl herself.

But we don't care about the spirits of characters, we care about feats. Nothing you just said proved anything at all. Nothing you just said showed if I made a "Squirrel Girl vs Galactus" rumble, she would win, at all. Also, Bugs is above Galactus? Since..when? Where are you getting this? I've never seen a single feat for Bugs on the level of Galactus.

For CBR purposes, there should be no debate at all: she ain't beating Galactus until you give actual feats. Yes, we get it, joke character, that is fine. You want to seriously claim she can win rumbles? She still needs feats. Trying to quantify her makes no sense? Makes no less sense then trying to quantify toon forcers...which we totally still demand feats for. You talk about specifying special things for her, but no, the way that works? I should have to specify if people are going to be allowed to use statements and such, as it is normally, without any specifications? We assume the feats thing applies, since..why not?

We already know she is a joke character, but there should really be zero debate about if she needs feats unless everyone just plain forgot about toon forcers and such needing them. So unless I make a "Squirrel Girl, the joke version rules don't apply to! vs Galactus" fight, she should lose..badly, hilariously badly. I also still have to ask again where you get any idea Bugs > Galactus. Never seen Bugs nuke galaxies or anything. Just seem him do shit so far below Galactus that I'd be hesitant to put Bugs up against Silver Surfer.

[Jcogginsa]

I think he deadpool battles were also on screen, but not sure