Superman v. Thor

[Acecool]

Arena fight.

Superman from the Justice League the animated series v.

Thor from Avengers Earth Mightiest Heroes.

[Basara]

Super speed, heat vision, and much better strength feats make this an easy win for DCAU Superman.

[big_adventure]

Super speed, heat vision, and much better strength feats make this an easy win for DCAU Superman.

How much super speed does he really have? Because his HV isn't scratching EMH Thor, and I don't recall DCAU Superman taking anything like the damage Thor can dish out when pissed and ready to blow shit up.

[Basara]

How much super speed does he really have? Because his HV isn't scratching EMH Thor, and I don't recall DCAU Superman taking anything like the damage Thor can dish out when pissed and ready to blow shit up.

Seriously? Heat vision that can give Doomsday an instant lobotomy isn't scratching EMH Thor? The same Superman that takes hits from a Mongul whom can murder Wonder Woman, fight Doomsday in a volcano, take hits Captain Marvel that destroys buildings in a single punch and getting up without a scratch isn't durable enough to handle Thor's damage? It's the other way around. DCAU Superman is demonstrably stronger and more durable than EMH Thor.

Plus Superman is fast enough to be behind Thor before Thor even realizes Superman has moved. It was a favorite trick of his in Superman TAS. He also at one time matched Flash in a foot race (though Flash did get faster in Justice League). Superman's not light speed, but still much, much, much faster than Thor can keep track of.

This battle must have popped up roughly 20 times on the old board and the general response was always the same: DCAU Superman is too much for EMH Thor because a) Thor can't touch Superman due to his super speed, b) Thor can't prevent a heat vision lobotomy, and c) Thor doesn't have strength and durability feats as good as Superman's.

[big_adventure]

Seriously? Heat vision that can give Doomsday an instant lobotomy isn't scratching EMH Thor? The same Superman that takes hits from a Mongul whom can murder Wonder Woman, fight Doomsday in a volcano, take hits Captain Marvel that destroys buildings in a single punch and getting up without a scratch isn't durable enough to handle Thor's damage? It's the other way around. DCAU Superman is demonstrably stronger and more durable than EMH Thor.

Plus Superman is fast enough to be behind Thor before Thor even realizes Superman has moved. It was a favorite trick of his in Superman TAS. He also at one time matched Flash in a foot race (though Flash did get faster in Justice League). Superman's not light speed, but still much, much, much faster than Thor can keep track of.

This battle must have popped up roughly 20 times on the old board and the general response was always the same: DCAU Superman is too much for EMH Thor because a) Thor can't touch Superman due to his super speed, b) Thor can't prevent a heat vision lobotomy, and c) Thor doesn't have strength and durability feats as good as Superman's.

I'm fine with that about the speed - I was asking, not insulting or arguing. And no, from what I've seen (please note the emphasis), DCAU Superman can't just no-sell Thor, who one-shotted Brooklyn into a crater with an AoE - something a dozen orders of magnitude over knocking over a building. If Thor can't use it thanks to speed, that's totally fine - I have no horse in this race. When one asks "how much superspeed does he have", one might really be simply asking said question, and not, I dunno, challenging the person who claimed it was so.

[Slade1]

From what I've seen I'd say Superman wins but I haven't watched a lot of either show.

[Gorthaur]

There's no doubt Superman is faster than Thor: He catches bullets fired from submachine guns, he dodges blows from weaker opponents and is several meters away when they realize he's gone. He charges into slower bricks like a speeding, well, bullet.

He doesn't, however, ever operate at a level of sustained superspeed that would allow him to take out opponents in his own strength class or above before they can retaliate. Which makes sense: after all, moving your entire body mass at superspeed to attack a 500 pound invulnerable man requires way more energy than simply moving your hands to catch low-weight bullets. Based on Superman's feats, he has the reserves to do the latter all day long (or at least, long enough for a clip to run empty), and the former... in a few one-second bursts to help out in a really tough fight.

DCAU Clark isn't taking EMH Thor out in a blitz.

[Basara]

I'm fine with that about the speed - I was asking, not insulting or arguing. And no, from what I've seen (please note the emphasis), DCAU Superman can't just no-sell Thor, who one-shotted Brooklyn into a crater with an AoE - something a dozen orders of magnitude over knocking over a building. If Thor can't use it thanks to speed, that's totally fine - I have no horse in this race. When one asks "how much superspeed does he have", one might really be simply asking said question, and not, I dunno, challenging the person who claimed it was so.

Ok, I'll grant that I came on a little bit hard. It was the heat vision comment about it not being able to hurt Thor when the truth is there are some great showings for Superman's heat vision being extremely powerful (less than 3 second lobotomy on Doomsday, burning Mongul, etc.). Thor is not more durable than either of those two.

No, I don't think Superman can no sell Thor's crater creating attack, but I doubt it's knocking Superman out either. After all, that attack alone didn't knock out Graviton either.

None of this actually matters though, because Superman moves in a blur compared with Thor and can knock Thor into the arena wall before Thor can lift his hammer and summon that attack. Mere seconds later, Thor would be a vegetable due to a heat vision lobotomy.

[byc]

I'm fine with that about the speed - I was asking, not insulting or arguing. And no, from what I've seen (please note the emphasis), DCAU Superman can't just no-sell Thor, who one-shotted Brooklyn into a crater with an AoE - something a dozen orders of magnitude over knocking over a building. If Thor can't use it thanks to speed, that's totally fine - I have no horse in this race. When one asks "how much superspeed does he have", one might really be simply asking said question, and not, I dunno, challenging the person who claimed it was so.

His godblast or whatever it was in the 2nd episode against Graviton didn't make Brooklyn into a crater. The wide shot showed like the entire area destroyed, but the close view showed Graviton in the crater, which is only about 10 feet wide.

He's not going to be able to use it against Superman. Far too fast to hit him, plus Superman probably will interrupt the thing.

[byc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyM7LsOXQDk

6:20 is when Avengers gather around the crater where Graviton is.

[Hazard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyM7LsOXQDk

6:20 is when Avengers gather around the crater where Graviton is.

That's a effect of the scale. You can even see Giant Hank is barely twice of everyone else's size.

You really can't argue it didn't leave a gigantic crater when we did, in fact, see it leave a gigantic crater.

No, I don't think Superman can no sell Thor's crater creating attack, but I doubt it's knocking Superman out either. After all, that attack alone didn't knock out Graviton either.

Not getting knocked out by an attack of that magnitude is Graviton's feat, not Supermans'.


As an aside, Thor has also hit a supposedly city busting blast with his hammer in order to send it right back to the ship that launched it.

And the whole slowing down the island from falling.

[byc]

That's a effect of the scale. You can even see Giant Hank is barely twice of everyone else's size.

You really can't argue it didn't leave a gigantic crater when we did, in fact, see it leave a gigantic crater.

So you would call the crater that Graviton is in to be the size of Brooklyn? It's clearly not. It's not even as large as the street.

[Hazard]

So you would call the crater that Graviton is in to be the size of Brooklyn? It's clearly not. It's not even as large as the street.

Perspective. You cannot deny the size of the crater when you can see it in the video you linked.

[big_adventure]

So you would call the crater that Graviton is in to be the size of Brooklyn? It's clearly not. It's not even as large as the street.

See, what you are doing here is choosing the clearly scale challenged view instead of the clear massive giant scale image, since you want your point to pass. And the blast is clearly Brooklyn Destroying when it shows in the wide angle. So, I'm sticking with that.

[moonknight11]

It seems to be the only advantage supes has is speed.