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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewCrossett View Post
    So, the Bastardbowl is coming up tomorrow. (On Father's Day... how appropriate.)

    If GRRM were writing it, I think it would go something like this:

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    But it's D&D writing it, so the Knights of the Vale will arrive just in time to give the victory to the Starks. Everything north of the Trident is lost to the crown, with Dorne also in rebellion and the Reach right on the brink.

    Oh, and Jon and Sansa enter Winterfell to find Rickon's flayed body in the courtyard. Either way, I don't see this ending well for the Forgotten Stark.
    I'd rather have some D&D writing in the mix than a constant barrage of worst possible outcome shock gimmick scenarios like the Red Wedding, Ramsey, and Oberyn.

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    Rickon died like expected.

    Jon got manipulated into messing up their battle strategy easily by Ramsey. Jon should have died so many times, but he lived...maybe to die later.

    Ramsey was tactically solid, but he committed way too much soldiers to try and finish off the Starks. He wasn't keen enough to realize that the Vale might have gotten involved, but in some ways that's logical. Ramsey wasn't experienced with Littlefinger enough to know he would betray him. Littlefinger give him his lady, why would he attack? But he did, and then a GIANT problem resulted in the gates being breached in minutes. He deserved his death. He fought the battle itself well enough, but didn't defend the castle well (he should have had men at the walls long before going back).

    Dani and the dragons doing the logical thing. High ground wins, and if nobody else has an air force/flying navy, you win.

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    That was a mixed bag. A very well made episode, beautifully filmed, with some powerful moments. But was it "good"? Sure, I suppose it was. But it's dragged down by the fact that not a single beat in the entire episode wasn't a foregone conclusion. Maybe we didn't quite predict the order that the beats would play out in, I figured Rickon's death would be the coda to the battle, not the scene setter. Though I did like the way they had Ramsey outplay John there. But literally everything else happened exactly the way most expected it to. There wasn't even any drama in the battle, as it's ending was so patently obvious weeks ago.

    Oh well. On the upside, it was really, really well made. Great acting, beautiful cinematography. The entire battle was amazingly done. A technical achievement, if not a dramatic one.

    I'm looking forward to seeing the finale. Most especially for the return of the Davos/Melisendre feud.

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    Dani and Yara giving each other "fuck me" eyes was pretty funny. I don't think even HBO will push GOT into porn by having a hot sex scene between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroBG82 View Post
    That was a mixed bag. A very well made episode, beautifully filmed, with some powerful moments. But was it "good"? Sure, I suppose it was. But it's dragged down by the fact that not a single beat in the entire episode wasn't a foregone conclusion. Maybe we didn't quite predict the order that the beats would play out in, I figured Rickon's death would be the coda to the battle, not the scene setter. Though I did like the way they had Ramsey outplay John there. But literally everything else happened exactly the way most expected it to. There wasn't even any drama in the battle, as it's ending was so patently obvious weeks ago.

    Oh well. On the upside, it was really, really well made. Great acting, beautiful cinematography. The entire battle was amazingly done. A technical achievement, if not a dramatic one.

    I'm looking forward to seeing the finale. Most especially for the return of the Davos/Melisendre feud.
    I said at other places this was a good episode, but not great.

    I thought there was a chance Jon Snow dies again to Ramsey Bolton for the sake of lolz as GOT has almost become trolling at times. Glad that didn't happen. But I think it's still possible Jon won't make it to big White Walker battles at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byc View Post
    Dani and Yara giving each other "fuck me" eyes was pretty funny. I don't think even HBO will push GOT into porn by having a hot sex scene between them.
    Um....they pushed into that Seasons ago bruh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by byc View Post
    I said at other places this was a good episode, but not great.

    I thought there was a chance Jon Snow dies again to Ramsey Bolton for the sake of lolz as GOT has almost become trolling at times. Glad that didn't happen. But I think it's still possible Jon won't make it to big White Walker battles at the end.
    I'm skeptical of the White Walkers even making it past the north. I suspect kingslanding is going to be saved for more human battles and dry political intrigue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byc View Post
    Dani and Yara giving each other "fuck me" eyes was pretty funny. I don't think even HBO will push GOT into porn by having a hot sex scene between them.
    Isn't Dany bisexual in the books?

    I think there is a greater than 20% chance those two end up in bed.

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    But I think it's still possible Jon won't make it to big White Walker battles at the end.
    Jon Snow follows the old gods and is a stark, who has some familial connection with the children, who created the walkers. Then there's the theory that he's a targaryen. If true... the series is "a song of ice and fire". If there actually is an essential character, it's probably him.

    I could more easily see danerys getting killed off after bringing the dragons over... Or surviving to the end and having an ewok-style dance party with everyone... Or marrying her nephew Jon Snow in icky Targaryen style... Or who knows.

    But Jon Snow ain't dying until the big threat is dealt with.

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    I know we're supposed to be cheering for Dany, but dear Lord do I dislike her character.

    Give me the crazies in the North any day of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byc View Post
    Rickon died like expected.

    Jon got manipulated into messing up their battle strategy easily by Ramsey. Jon should have died so many times, but he lived...maybe to die later.

    Ramsey was tactically solid, but he committed way too much soldiers to try and finish off the Starks. He wasn't keen enough to realize that the Vale might have gotten involved, but in some ways that's logical. Ramsey wasn't experienced with Littlefinger enough to know he would betray him. Littlefinger give him his lady, why would he attack? But he did, and then a GIANT problem resulted in the gates being breached in minutes. He deserved his death. He fought the battle itself well enough, but didn't defend the castle well (he should have had men at the walls long before going back).

    Dani and the dragons doing the logical thing. High ground wins, and if nobody else has an air force/flying navy, you win.
    Plus fire is absolute death for ships, even moreso for wooden ships since then the entire thing is basically flammable, much less with three hovering creatures that are living flame throwers

    I really liked this episode, Jon beating the shit out of Ramsay was cathartic, and as soon as he let him live I knew they were going to feed him to his own dogs, which was wildly satisfying. Loved seeing all three of the Dragons finally FINALLY used in warfare.

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    The theme of the episode was "might makes right" and its especially strong on the notion that "foreign might makes right" with the episode opening with Daenerys Stormborn slaughtering anyone who opposes her with her nuclear weapons, Yara asking for foreign invasion to place her as a leader in the name of Daenerys, and ends with a foreign army invading the North, so the North can have its puppet leader Sansa placed there by Petery Baelish.

    This is all played in a straight manner, never does the show question the motivations of Daenerys, Yara or Sansa, all these war mongerers who want to use their might to make things right, because: "we want to leave the world a better place".

    In the episode where Balon died, Yara questions and detests the Ironborn way but since the Kingsmoot episode she has been regressed into the same reaver she used to be, but now an outside force is telling her to set things straight. Why couldn't they just have had Yara's character progress naturally this path, why did she need Daenerys to tell her this? Did her own experiences count for nothing?

    Sansa and Jon are both terrible leaders, just as bad as Ramsay Bolton. How many good men died out there in the battle? Thousands, and these people are now set to rule Winterfell, no questions asked? Just horrible. I hope Jon tells Sansa that Bran is out there somewhere in the North.

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    I thought the motivations for all three were pretty clear. Dani wants her birthright and thinks she can do a better job than those in power (noting in this world that royal blood means something extra, thanks to fuedalism). Those in power haven't exactly been doing a good job, either.

    Yara wants what's hers (Salt Throne). Dani is her best bet.


    Sansa's motivations could be one of two things. She wanted revenge on Ramsey, and thus got blinded by it and her dislike for Baleish until almost too late. Or, by holding the Vale people back long enough to thin Jon's numbers, she now has a stronger force and claim to the North with her Vale army allies backing her.


    The key point here isalso birthright. All three are attempting to take back their homes and proper entitlement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleric of Hell's Brigade View Post
    I thought the motivations for all three were pretty clear.
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions

    Dani wants her birthright and thinks she can do a better job than those in power
    Yeah, but im also expressing my views on Mereen and what she's doing. Remember, this show had Tyrion Lannister literally trying to explain that slavery is bad but Feudalism is good.
    Or, by holding the Vale people back long enough to thin Jon's numbers, she now has a stronger force and claim to the North with her Vale army allies backing her.
    Yes, making her transformation to Cersei Lannister complete.

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