Game of Thrones

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

No but it was another big reason that pushed her over the edge. So if Jon loved her and wanted to be with her, she probably wouldn't do it.


What I don't understand is, Was Jaime's intention when he left Winterfell to save Cersei or kill her? I thought he wanted to stop her somehow, but all he did was to try to save her because he still loved her... I really thought he had strong feelings for Brienne, his eyes said it all.

I think Jon rejecting her showed her that she was never going to be loved and revered the way she hoped and that fear was the only way she could win. After all if the last male in her bloodline and man who gave up his crown could no longer embrace her.... who will?

Sansa tried to screw her. Her advisor Varys plotted against her. Tyrion basically enables the situation and now she knows he has serious doubts. The people won’t kneel to her willingly. She’s viewed as a foreign invader. Now her lover and the person she really should have ended up marrying is pulling away. She’s losing her children trying to help the realm, she’s losing her loyal army and best friends.

[Havok83]

Nothing that Dany has done has been any more ruthless/brutal than many other leaders in GOT, that's the problem. And a lot of more "brutal" acts were played as " badass" as well.

No one called Tywin, or Ned, or Robert, or Roose, etc "mad" though. And again HOW they did it was REALLY poor writing.

None of those burned an entire city to the ground. What Dany did is far worse than anything we've seen those men do on this show. The only other comparable act IMO is Cersei blowing up the Sept

[stargazer01]

Jon looks like a fool for believing in Dany. Tyrion too. But then she saved him from a certain death in season 7. Missandei made him believe Dany was a fair ruler, so much that she was there on her own will. Dany even told Jon she hoped she deserved to be queen in a very humbled way, so her evil turn feels unearned and contrived. The writing did a poor job to make us believe she could turn totally mad, imo.

[MindofShadow]

None of those burned an entire city to the ground. What Dany did is far worse than anything we've seen those men do on this show. The only other comparable act IMO is Cersei blowing up the Sept

Only thing comparable was the Mad King trying to blow up the city for no reason.

This is going full circle. She dead. Only real question is, what happens after she catches a sword to the heart. What happens to the dragon, the unsullied, the dothraki, and jon?

[Anarchist]

None of those burned an entire city to the ground. What Dany did is far worse than anything we've seen those men do on this show. The only other comparable act IMO is Cersei blowing up the Sept

It was a horrible act, yeah, but a single act.

If you count all the numerous atrocities people like Tywin or Roose committed over the years, I'm sure the bodycount would surpass Dany's.

[Jackalope89]

All I have to say is;

I saw this coming a mile away. As did many book readers.

And "badass ruler Dany"? C'mon people. She's a conqueror, and has shown little interest or understanding in actually ruling. Slaver's Bay she left in a bloody civil war, with a mercenary company as her "representatives". Her viewpoint has been you're either with her, or you burn. As she has proven countless times. To be honest, its probably a good thing most of her Dothraki horde was wiped out. As Sansa said, they didn't have the food to feed so many. But Dany brushed it off.

And getting the common folk of Westeros behind her was never going to happen. She not only invaded with an army of raping, pillaging Dothraki and slave soldiers Unsullied, but she herself had never lived in Westeros. Didn't know (or even care to know) their customs. Talked about "breaking the wheel" until it came to her spot in it. Then it was borderline treason.

[MindofShadow]

Dany: This is entirely different

Tyrion: You’re talking about destroying cities. It’s not entirely different.

2 seasons ago.

"When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me! We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!" - Daenerys season 2

[nj06]

Why did Dany refer to Greyworm as "Torgo Nudho" when they were speaking to one another by the fire?

[Doctor Know]

Also Arya is still the goddess of plot armor it would seem, whereas Jamie and Cersei get really lame endings.

It was a poetic ending for Jaime and Cersei and was surprisingly fitting. They both lasted in the game a lot longer than they had any merit to last. They had plenty of opportunities to quit while they were ahead. Cersei was intent to cling to power by any means necessary. She clung to power for the sake of having it. Jaime spurned Brienne and his redemption arc to go back to Cersei. Not to kill her, like we all thought, but to be with her. SMH

Poetic to see the walls close in on them, literally and figuratively.

[SpiderClops]

None of those burned an entire city to the ground. What Dany did is far worse than anything we've seen those men do on this show. The only other comparable act IMO is Cersei blowing up the Sept

That's the point! She has never, not once, harmed any innocent people for no reason. And now suddenly she burns down the entirety of King's Landing because... um... see she killed the Tarly's... whom she gave a choice, but they openly defied her because they were morons*, and it was a goddamm war. But yeah, those moments were she was either completely justified or had enough understandable reasons to kill some terrible people, shows us that she was going mad. Yep.

*please don't even dare argue about honor or any crap like that, they were supporting Cersei.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Nothing that Dany has done has been any more ruthless/brutal than many other leaders in GOT, that's the problem. And a lot of more "brutal" acts were played as "badass" as well.

No one called Tywin, or Ned, or Robert, or Roose, etc "mad" though. And again HOW they did it was REALLY poor writing.

Tywin was hated for the sack of Kings Landing and the Martells hated the Lannisters and wanted revenge ever since. Ned in the North also distances himself from Robert and his families distrust of the Lannisters made them play right into LF’s plan. Tywin also was smart enough to not take full power.

Robert and Ned didn’t do anything. If anything they were having a Mad King call for their heads and they rebelled. Then Robert condoned Tywin’s actions and Ned was pissed.

Roose didn’t really kill innocents. He went turncoat and betrayed the Stark army and killed off his line and House. He didn’t murder everyone in Winterfell or North just because.

Tywin was the only one who was even remotely close to what Dany just did as he actually sacked King’s Landing and it followed him the rest of his life. And even then, Tywin didn’t have a surrender that he ignored.

Dany won. Her enemies stopped fighting and surrendered. All she needed to do was march to the red keep and decorate it in dragons

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

That's the point! She has never, not once, harmed any innocent people for no reason. And now suddenly she burns down the entirety of King's Landing because... um... see she killed the Tarly's... whom she gave a choice, but they openly defied her because they were morons*, and it was a goddamm war. But yeah, those moments were she was either completely justified or had enough understandable reasons to kill some terrible people, shows us that she was going mad. Yep.

*please don't even dare argue about honor or any crap like that, they were supporting Cersei.

She threatened it many times and her go to action when she didn’t get what she wanted was to yell dracarys

[XPac]

That's the point! She has never, not once, harmed any innocent people for no reason. And now suddenly she burns down the entirety of King's Landing because... um... see she killed the Tarly's... whom she gave a choice, but they openly defied her because they were morons*, and it was a goddamm war. But yeah, those moments were she was either completely justified or had enough understandable reasons to kill some terrible people, shows us that she was going mad. Yep.

*please don't even dare argue about honor or any crap like that, they were supporting Cersei.

For Dany, things were building up to this moment. If she was slaughtering innocent people all along, then she's simply be a villain. But that's not the case here. She's been ruthless but in most if not all instances at least somewhat fair... and PERHAPS if everyone she cared for didn't die or "betray" her things would be different. But she basically hit her breaking point and snapped. In some ways the story of Dany is sort of a villains journey.

[MindofShadow]

For Dany, things were building up to this moment. If she was slaughtering innocent people all along, then she's simply be a villain. But that's not the case here. She's been ruthless but in most if not all instances at least somewhat fair... and PERHAPS if everyone she cared for didn't die or "betray" her things would be different. But she basically hit her breaking point and snapped. In some ways the story of Dany is sort of a villains journey.

Exactly.

The madness is in her blood. She simply snapped, just like Aerys

You could argue (and I would) it happened too quick in the moment. But you can't argue it doesn't fit the plot. Some people just got too attached to her and wanted her to be the savior that broke the wheel or whatever. Even ignoring the fact she employs a rapey slaughtering extorting army and was conquerer more than anything.

[stargazer01]

Honestly, after episode 4, Jon had the key to Dany's heart, but instead he rejected her. If he had realized how alone and broken she was, he could have comforted her in a way only he knew how. We saw in season 7 how she saw him as a superior man and an equal and fell for him for that reason. But no... he rejected her in an emotional level and she snapped. I'm sorry but I don't recognize this Jon.