Yeah the memes of that stupid logic are hilarious. Dany was just told Euron had shipped 20k mercs to KL but somehow forgot about him.
Then instead of simply flying around the ships and torching from behind, she charges them head on. My 13 year old niece that was watching it asked me why she didnt fly around them and I said because the writers are idiots.
It's hard for me to listen to someone not in my position. A caterpillar can't relate to what an eagle envisions.
Whether or not shields were the point or were effective, 'dragons are not necessarily precise weapons' doesn't seem relevant.
Dani intentionally flew down streets packed with screaming, fleeing civilians and burned them to ash.
Looking at the wide shots of the city, she was nowhere near the Red Keep for much of her attack. The dragon is precise enough to flood individual streets, so it wasn't a matter of falling buildings or accidental spillover of dragonfire. She quite intentionally made multiple 'kill the fleeing/screaming citizen' passes.
Not only did Dani forget about them, but so did Tyrion and Varys and Davos and Jon and...
If the idea was that what Dany was doing was logical, they'd be calling her the logical queen rather than the Mad Queen. We're not supposed to believe what she's doing is the right thing, or even necessarily smart. That's what makes Dany the bad guy, and what makes bad guys bad guys in general.
If you're against what Dany was doing then GOOD... that was the point.
The precision of a dragons is kind of relavent when you're attempting to counter the point that Dany can kill Cersi without harming civilians. You've got a queen in a castle surrounded by people and you're on a dragon. I'm doubtful Dany could have killed Cersi without massive collateral damage to the people at least outside the castle even if she tried. Though yes, in the end it's all moot because clearly she didn't give a dam. Again, they weren't shields to Dany... they were target practice.
I think the difference that remydat is trying to make (please correct me if I'm wrong, remydat) is that Cersei is in the Red Keep, the sight of the Red Keep is what, according to the writers, sets Dani off, but she doesn't go for the Red Keep. Instead, she cruises through the rest of the city burning it down.
If innocent people/shields had died while Dani was bringing down the Keep, either because they were near or in it, then that would be more in line with the 'I don't care about shields'. The question is, why fly to the opposite side of the city to target fleeing and screaming civilians while the Red Keep is housing the enemy?
The Red Keep is, relatively speaking, isolated from the rest of the city.
It's not that the Keep and the surrounding area were turned to ash, it's that she repeatedly made strafing runs on the opposite side of the city specifically targeting people who were nowhere near Cersei or the Red Keep.
Hope that clarifies!
The problem with that is that it ties into the larger problem with this season, namely Jon is pretty superfluous. Everything that they seemed to be building up for him, his entire arc, and his past, gets thrown out the window and replaced with, nothing. And after setting up this parallel between him and TNK over and over and over again, having Jon be the one most aware of the threat and trying to rally the different sides to face it, the fact that not only does he not kill TNK (I guess all of those staredowns that the show gave those two, and Jon repeatedly saying that "I've seen TNK, I've looked into his eyes, meant nothing in the end, just like most of his story," but he's not even there when TNK dies and does very little of note in that episode at all. But instead the kill goes to Arya, someone who, until that episode, had NEVER been anywhere near TNK and had no interactions with him or the White Walkers at all, and whose story didn't connect to them at all either, just speaks to the writing problems.
And I cannot imagine GRRM doing that.
Last edited by remydat; 05-21-2019 at 10:59 AM.
It's hard for me to listen to someone not in my position. A caterpillar can't relate to what an eagle envisions.
Collateral damage is generally not a war crime. Seeking out children and torching them for laughs is.
Any collateral damage pails in comparison to what she actually did as again far more civilians were away from keep and if she burned the keep it would take time to collapse allowing civilians to flee.
It's hard for me to listen to someone not in my position. A caterpillar can't relate to what an eagle envisions.
Precisely. The time it took for her to murder babies, Cersei could have escaped so her attacks on helpless civilians is not only horrific but tactically stupid. The person who killed your best friend is isolated in a tower. Go destroy the tower. Instead she essentially kills people nowhere near the keep.
If not for Sandro and Euron delaying things, Cersei and Jamie escape via boat and her vengeneance would be left wanting. For her to delay killing Cersei to stir fry children is the height of plot induced stupidity.
Last edited by remydat; 05-21-2019 at 11:08 AM.
It's hard for me to listen to someone not in my position. A caterpillar can't relate to what an eagle envisions.
Not saying collateral damange is a war crime. Again, just disagreeing with the notion that she could kill Cersi without harming innocent people. Not on a dragon.
But certainly I would agree what we saw was more than collateral damage. If Dany actually cared about civilan lives at this point she obviously would have handled things differently. But that's why she's called the Mad Queen rather than the Nice Queen.
Both of those are irrelevant to the show's problems. The show set this up and the show failed to pay it off.
If the question is WHY didn't she fly to the Red Keep, the simple answer is she decided to kill all the civilians too.
She came to the conclusion, right or wrong, that she wasn't a liberator of the people of KL because they were seeking protection with Cersi FROM her. From her warped perspective (again, Mad Queen), they didn't want saving from Cersi, therefore there was no reason to bother saving them. So they shared Cersi and the Lanisters army fate.
If you're looking for a competely rational logical reason for why she did what she did, don't bother... there isn't one. At least not entirely. Again, that's sort of the point of her snapping. She wasn't doing the right thing for the right reason, and we're not supposed to think she was. We're supposed to think she freaking went nuts.