Dick Grayson: Robin, Nightwing, Agent of Spyral - Appreciation

[yohyoi]

Hahaha... DC forgot the Titans but they remembered the frickin' Teen Titans. Dick and Wally are still not respected even after all this time. Thanks for the Rebirth blueballs, DC. You know what I needed, more Harley and Damian. Great job DC.

[Barbatos666]

Its not about respect imo, DC thinks the Titans are doing spectacularly between the comic and the upcoming show. They have no incentive to move them to JL and ruin what they feel is a success. Blame the fans of Titans.

[yohyoi]

I think it's better not to talk about the Titans at all. DC doesn't. The teen version are being promoted to Leaguers, while the adult ones are given a time out because they are not perfect.

Why do you have to make mistakes Titans? It's not like the Justice League ever made a mistake in their life.

[JasonTodd428]

@Barbatos666- I'd blame DC for the fans (over)reaction to the current Titans book honestly. After all it was the higher ups that decided to reboot and thought it was a good idea to scrap Titans history in the process so fans became starved for some version of that history. That's likely why fans are buying up the current book even as mediocre as it is.

[Barbatos666]

@Barbatos666- I'd blame DC for the fans (over)reaction to the current Titans book honestly. After all it was the higher ups that decided to reboot and thought it was a good idea to scrap Titans history in the process so fans became starved for some version of that history. That's likely why fans are buying up the current book even as mediocre as it is.

Oh yeah, I was just saying that Titans fans are a very satisfied group as a whole. The Damian team in contrast is a bit controversial and has fan bases fighting so it gives DC more incentive to move the characters elsewhere. So in a way fans of Starfire, Raven and Beast Boy should thank Damian because had they been part of Titans they too would have stayed there.

[yohyoi]

@Barbatos666- I'd blame DC for the fans (over)reaction to the current Titans book honestly. After all it was the higher ups that decided to reboot and thought it was a good idea to scrap Titans history in the process so fans became starved for some version of that history. That's likely why fans are buying up the current book even as mediocre as it is.

Well, if you are a fan of Wally or Donna, there is no other book to buy. You also want to tell DC you support these characters. So you buy the book, or else DC will kill or villainize your favorite again and again.

[JasonTodd428]

Oh yeah, I was just saying that Titans fans are a very satisfied group as a whole. The Damian team in contrast is a bit controversial and has fan bases fighting so it gives DC more incentive to move the characters elsewhere. So in a way fans of Starfire, Raven and Beast Boy should thank Damian because had they been part of Titans they too would have stayed there.

Fan bases fight regardless so I'm not sure moving the characters elsewhere has much to do with that. Its far more likely that the bottom line has more to do with it. Most of DCs team books are weak in the quality department and none of them are all that critically acclaimed either. I rather suspect DC is looking for a way to improve both perhaps while also trying to revitalize the line with new directions instead of the same old status quo. I'm just speculating of course.

[Barbatos666]

Fan bases fight regardless so I'm not sure moving the characters elsewhere has much to do with that. Its far more likely that the bottom line has more to do with it. Most of DCs team books are weak in the quality department and none of them are all that critically acclaimed either. I rather suspect DC is looking for a way to improve both perhaps while also trying to revitalize the line with new directions instead of the same old status quo. I'm just speculating of course.

I'm mostly in agreement, I just think Damian's team moving is because of Damian himself largely because he has no fixed generation or era like Dick. Sometimes being new and not tied to something can trump history and legacy. This is one of those cases.

[JasonTodd428]

Well, if you are a fan of Wally or Donna, there is no other book to buy. You also want to tell DC you support these characters. So you buy the book, or else DC will kill or villainize your favorite again and again.

I don't really understand that mentality to be honest with you. I don't support mediocre books period even if its the only book a favorite character is in. Aside of Nightwing none of the other characters in Titans appear anywhere else regularly and I love all of those character but I just can't rationalize spending $3.99 an issue for a book that's as bland and uninteresting as Titans is. There are far to many other books out there I much rather spend that money on.

[yohyoi]

I don't really understand that mentality to be honest with you. I don't support mediocre books period even if its the only book a favorite character is in. Aside of Nightwing none of the other characters in Titans appear anywhere else regularly and I love all of those character but I just can't rationalize spending $3.99 an issue for a book that's as bland and uninteresting as Titans is. There are far to many other books out there I much rather spend that money on.

Good for you. But some like me are Wally fans who are tired of him being forgotten and treated as a prop by DC. Rebirth was supposed to be his story. I bought hoping this would be true. But alas DC is just a liar.

[JasonTodd428]

I'm mostly in agreement, I just think Damian's team moving is because of Damian himself largely because he has no fixed generation or era like Dick. Sometimes being new and not tied to something can trump history and legacy. This is one of those cases.

I do wonder if this is maybe a step toward Damian getting his own group not tied down to the legacy of the previous Robins or Titans groups.

[JasonTodd428]

Good for you. But some like me are Wally fans who are tired of him being forgotten and treated as a prop by DC. Rebirth was supposed to be his story. I bought hoping this would be true. But alas DC is just a liar.

I bought the book hoping it would not end up being just like every other Titan book before it was in addition to it and Wally supposedly figuring prominently in the overall Rebirth story. I ended up disappointed thrice over myself so I get that. I just feel that supporting a mediocre book with a character I like doesn't do that character any good either and that it sends the wrong message to DC. Instead of it saying "I want more books with this character" I sometimes feel like its really saying "I support ANY book with this character no matter how bad". That's just my opinion and I didn't mean to come off like a jerk or something. Sorry about that.

[Godlike13]

The Titans isn't doing anything different that says it needs to stay unchanged while JL, JLA, TT need to be relaunched. The joke of story Abnett started in TH is over even. There's no reason that the Titans are omitted from this event and eventual relaunch, while pretty much ever other team DC is publishing has a representative in this event and will probably see changes spinning out. This is very telling on how DC actually sees the Titans team and its member, and its not good. Dick needs to gtfo asap. The team is going nowhere fast. Its embarrassing how irrelevant they are, and soon as those new team books start coming out the Titans are only going to be further buried and left behind.

[yohyoi]

The Titans isn't doing anything different that says it needs to stay unchanged while JL, JLA, TT need to be relaunched. The joke of story Abnett started in TH is over even. There's no reason that the Titans are omitted from this event and eventual relaunch, while pretty much ever other team they DC is publishing has a representative. This is very telling on how DC actually sees the Titans team and its member, and its not good. Dick needs to gtfo asap. The team is going nowhere fast. Its embarrassing how irrelevant they are, and soon as those new team books start coming out the Titans are only going to be further buried and left behind.

I would rather him leave too. A Spyral book would be 100x better than Titans. At the very least Agent 37 fans would have something.

[nightbird]

I seriously don't understand why DC even bothered to bring back the Titans. They are throwing them away again. I'm happy Damian gets promoted to a JL team even if it's only temporarily but at the same time it feels like Nightwing and his team got punched in the face. I wish Dick was still Grayson and got to lead his own spy organisation or something I don't care. I would even take the Outsiders. I'm tired of the Titans. I think I might agree with Badou now, maybe the concept is just not meant to work.


The majority of the so-called fans are happy as long as their favorites play happy family, which is why the Titans and Teen Titans are stuck in the same cycle. They are happy as long as the team is around and don't care about the quality of the writing. I mean I could be wrong but this is the impression I get everytime I talk to these "fans" on twitter or tumblr.

Some of those fans actually think/believe that Dick in Titans is better written, than in his own solo book.