Tim Drake: Robin, Red Robin Appreciation 2018

[millernumber1]

How so? Priest actually added something to his character. It was the best use of him in ages.

Agreed. I thought Tim was very human and sympathetic, as well as very intelligent - all the more impressive since he was "dead" during the storyline.

Tim is portrayed as a huge jerk victimizing Damian. Tim is not a huge jerk.

He's not, at all! He's depicted as angry at Damian, and given the timeline of the issue, that's totally accurate as to his feelings. But he's also portrayed as 1) being Bruce's much mourned son, 2) very loyal to Batman, 3) a detective with strong enough instincts not to send the video to Damian when he made it - Damian only got it because of Tim's death.

There is a hard edge to Tim here - but that's Priest's writing style. Everyone has a very hard edge, even the purest and kindest of characters, like Tanya Spears.

The meme of Tim being jealous of damian needs to die, its pure revisionism. He never gave a crap other than Damian being a liability and trying to murder him repeatedly.

Tim wasn't primarily depicted as jealous of Damian here. He was hurt and angry (which is, again, accurate to what we see in Morrison's run), but also thoughtful, with a secret nerdy side (the name under which he hid the evidence).

Thank you sir!

I think he was also in the third issue, and Damian mentions him in the fourth (#33).

[Mataza]

Ok I was wondering, can the New 52 Red Robin fly? Because he has the wings and everything for it? Right? Or can he just glide really well like the rest of the bat family? Becaue in some images it is hard to tell if he is flying or gliding....

He could fly. Its actually a nod to his pre-flashpoint characterization, where he wanted to find a way to fly.

[TheCape]

Tim wasn't primarily depicted as jealous of Damian here. He was hurt and angry (which is, again, accurate to what we see in Morrison's run), but also thoughtful, with a secret nerdy side (the name under which he hid the evidence).

Yup, i personally love that he hide the evidence under the name of one his favorite detectives, that's Tim for me and at the very least the story stated that Tim got over the whole thing quickly.

Thougth i call bullshit the part when Damian said that he wasn't trying to kill him.

[Mataza]

Thougth i call bullshit the part when Damian said that he wasn't trying to kill him.

Yeah, its pretty obvious he was. But he has a tendency to make excuses.
Whats funny is that after all the training and improvements he has, after having the element of surprise, he still got beaten. And to top that humilliation he got offered a hand in friendship. Like, how much better did he even think Tim was?

Some day someone should really adress their relationship, not this "now they are friends and respect eachother" bs that we get.

[phantom1592]

Yeah, its pretty obvious he was. But he has a tendency to make excuses.
Whats funny is that after all the training and improvements he has, after having the element of surprise, he still got beaten. And to top that humilliation he got offered a hand in friendship. Like, how much better did he even think Tim was?

Some day someone should really adress their relationship, not this "now they are friends and respect eachother" bs that we get.

I think that is another reason that I never liked Damian. He's just vastly over-rated. He was what 10 when he showed up... with everyone acting like he should be awesome since he was trained all that time...

So what? Training didn't start till he was at least out of diapers and walking... so figure 7-8 years max... and we've seen hundreds of times that 7-8 years of League of Assassin Training STILL get their butts handed to them by the Gotham Crew. Add in the smaller frame and younger body... and he's still not all he's bragged up to be. Say it was 20 years straight with Lazarus pits keeping him strong and trained by Shiva and the likes... and maybe there's something to that... However League of Assassins = Cannon Fodder for way too long for to me to take his 'super skillz' seriously.

[millernumber1]

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The Robins

Love this - the shapes and colors are great!

[TheCape]

I'm not that into talking about feats, but Morrison make a point in showing that he was using brass knuckles in the figth, it give you a clue about how his pride and ego were the most dangerous thing about him, luckily he changed for the better.

[TheCape]

The Bat Goth team

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So dark and tortured

[Mataza]

Yep, i can take Cassandra seriously because her own origin made sense in the world. she sacrificed everything and was conditioned to fight above what any mortal could accomplish. She is a testament to what hard work, talent and unlimited potential could achieve. But we also see the drawbacks of going there, of trying to achieve that. She is autistic, incapable of having a normal life, eternally tortured by her own past. Her life is constant struggle and only her strong moral compass has saved her from a life as a lapdog.

Its why i say Damian is a caricature sometimes, he is basically the poster child for eugenics. Everything gets handwaved as being thanks to his "strong genetics". Despite his troubled past he can still hold normal relationships. Everywhere he shows up he is treated as the "betterest mostest qualifiedest hero" and he can get away with anything, including harming fellow heroes or outright murder just because of his "son of batman" status.
I like the character, but his attitude is sometimes grating.

[TheCape]

And i opened a pandora box again, first the Wolverine vs Laura debate and now this

[Armor of God]

I think that is another reason that I never liked Damian. He's just vastly over-rated. He was what 10 when he showed up... with everyone acting like he should be awesome since he was trained all that time...

So what? Training didn't start till he was at least out of diapers and walking... so figure 7-8 years max... and we've seen hundreds of times that 7-8 years of League of Assassin Training STILL get their butts handed to them by the Gotham Crew. Add in the smaller frame and younger body... and he's still not all he's bragged up to be. Say it was 20 years straight with Lazarus pits keeping him strong and trained by Shiva and the likes... and maybe there's something to that... However League of Assassins = Cannon Fodder for way too long for to me to take his 'super skillz' seriously.

I'm struggling to remember, just who exactly was acting that he's awesome?
Batman and Robin 0 addressed the training.

[phantom1592]

I'm struggling to remember, just who exactly was acting that he's awesome?
Batman and Robin 0 addressed the training.

The fans mostly

[Fergus]

The fans mostly

Not just fans. WB/DC, Writers, Bruce and Dick Grayson etc.

[Armor of God]

The fans mostly

Fans were gained over time as were Damian's various partnerships. Your post insinuated that everyone was on board with him because of his background when he first arrived and thats simply false. Still I dont know why a Tim appreciation has to become a Damian unappreciation thread.

[Mataza]

Fans were gained over time as were Damian's various partnerships. Your post insinuated that everyone was on board with him because of his background when he first arrived and thats simply false. Still I dont know why a Tim appreciation has to become a Damian unappreciation thread.

Deathstroke. You cant really discuss Tim in Deathstroke without discussing Damian.