Rumble Baselines

[big_adventure]

A good mundane example of 3 would be the Cap VS Batman fight. Similar speeds, capable of hurting each other, but Batman has all sort of ranged crap in his belt so he wins.
4 is a bit tougher. An example I can think of is Thor VS Dr. Doom. Not in exact comparison as Thor is faster, but Doom could trap thor in the crimson bands before he does any serious damage to him, thus winning thru esoteric effect.

Without prep, Thor trivially slaughters Doom due to VASTLY faster reaction time. Thor can just suck out his energy, dump him into the sun or a black hole, offer him as a gift to Dormammu - whatever.

Hey @big.. got any examples for #3 and 4 in your list?

Sure:

3. If both can hurt one another and speed is close, and one has a viable ranged attack and the other does not, viable ranged attack guy is likely to win (depending on some things, but it's a good rule of thumb).

- As someone else mentioned, Batman versus Captain America kind of falls here - Batman can spam explosives, 'rangs and sonics and will take the majority. Cap might get a double-KO with a crazy shield bounce or something. Another one is something like BuckyCap versus Batroc or some other CBPH who doesn't carry ranged weapons - Batroc's not a bullet-timer, and the other guy carries a pistol as standard equipment. It needs to be a viable ranged attack - using an arrow against a guy with skills for trivially catching same is NOT a viable ranged attack.

4. If both can hurt one another, speed is close and either both have viable ranged attacks or neither do, skill or better esoteric effects (dimension/space dumping, time stops, mind screw, etc.) will likely be telling.

- Speed-equal Superman versus Thor shows up here - Thor can just drop the dude into the core of a red sun (kill) or into another dimension (win by ringout). Another one would be Dr. Doom versus Iron Man - hell, Tony's actually a bit quicker, has better armor, and has better physical attacks, but none of those can one-shot Victor - and Victor can send the Crimson Bands, which have a feat for shutting down Tony's armor nearly instantly. This would also be where, say, Psylocke versus Captain America would show - she can shut off his mind with telepathy before he can close with her.

[MorphyVSFischer]

Well ya Slade is a meta, with both his strength and speed enhanced. Regardless I just don't think, regardless of the example used. Speed is def an important factor. But I don't think strength, endurance or skill should be ignored. It just renders some of the potentially interesting debates useless. This is all ofc IMO

We never ignore these things. Adventure clearly stated all things being equal speed always wins.

[bat1987]

We never ignore these things. Adventure clearly stated all things being equal speed always wins.

Fair enough.