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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Knight View Post
    I'm not saying you are, but yet again, though this is big for the MCU, or Marvel Studios, I still stand by what I say earlier, and don't feel such films, good, bad, well made, or very African, etc, or not, should be ignored, or have their importance lessened.
    I'm not saying they should be lessened. It needn't be a competition; in fact, a competition is one of the more harmful way of approaching diversity (then you get into "the Diversity Olympics" and try to trump one's pain and loss over another). However, a Black Panther movie in conjunction with the history of black film would go to show the different facets of life there are in the real world, since entertainment is often about how reality is viewed. And the point that Dagman made is based on historical reactions to blacks on film; and considering hostile, racist reactions of the past, you can't blame someone for imagining defensively; shutting it down/sweeping it under the rug is often the classic response to such race-based posts.

    With that said, as much flack as Wesley Snipes gets for saying he helped start the Marvel movie empire, I'm very much in agreement with him (though not in the way he puts it, admittedly). Spawn was created by a white artist -- but that was very much a conscious creative choice that came with its own set of story options and thus adds to the pantheon of formidable black comic figures... just like Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's motivation to make the Black Panther back in the 60s. If someone makes a movie about a minority disabled hero (Hello, Silhouette!), then bring it on! Because they exist in real life too and belong side by side with other people up on screen. But none of that reduces the importance of the past, because the present is built on it. It's also not going to override other films like Capt. Marvel because everyone, and I do mean everyone, has a place and an audience to fill.

    But, hopefully it'll be good, regardless of any stuff about race, progressm, regress and representation,
    Sure, i'm hoping it'll be good too, but if it is, I imagine that race, progress, and representation would play a role there. That's not to say it'll be good just because it's minority based, but if it IS good, those are necessary components to the character that won't/can't be swept under the rug.

    (and Steel is just a mess. Nobody ever brings that up in the list of positive "Important [insert population here] Movies.")
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyke View Post
    I'm not saying they should be lessened. It needn't be a competition; in fact, a competition is one of the more harmful way of approaching diversity (then you get into "the Diversity Olympics" and try to trump one's pain and loss over another). However, a Black Panther movie in conjunction with the history of black film would go to show the different facets of life there are in the real world, since entertainment is often about how reality is viewed. And the point that Dagman made is based on historical reactions to blacks on film; and considering hostile, racist reactions of the past, you can't blame someone for imagining defensively; shutting it down/sweeping it under the rug is often the classic response to such race-based posts.

    With that said, as much flack as Wesley Snipes gets for saying he helped start the Marvel movie empire, I'm very much in agreement with him (though not in the way he puts it, admittedly). Spawn was created by a white artist -- but that was very much a conscious creative choice that came with its own set of story options and thus adds to the pantheon of formidable black comic figures... just like Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's motivation to make the Black Panther back in the 60s. If someone makes a movie about a minority disabled hero (Hello, Silhouette!), then bring it on! Because they exist in real life too and belong side by side with other people up on screen. But none of that reduces the importance of the past, because the present is built on it. It's also not going to override other films like Capt. Marvel because everyone, and I do mean everyone, has a place and an audience to fill.



    Sure, i'm hoping it'll be good too, but if it is, I imagine that race, progress, and representation would play a role there. That's not to say it'll be good just because it's minority based, but if it IS good, those are necessary components to the character that won't/can't be swept under the rug.

    (and Steel is just a mess. Nobody ever brings that up in the list of positive "Important [insert population here] Movies.")
    Yeah, that's why I said regardless of quality, stuff like Blade: Trinity, or Steel shouldn't be ignored. The representation, mainstream, comic-book, superhero, all that.

    Not saying Steel is good, or the best representation, but it is something and should be recognized, alongside all the other good movies, whatever one knows, or can think of.

    And I'm glad to hear that, didn't think you did. Just feel that the past of representation, good films or not, that good representation or not, matters, with the future, like Cyborg, and Black Panther.

    I'm not sure how much impact race, representation and stuff therein will affect Cyborg, or would it mostly be a superhero, sci-fi, exploring another Justice League member, regardless.

    And I just feel that T'Challa as a hero, how his world expands the MCU, is a part of Civil War, or the Road to Infinity War, and his story, matter first and foremost, with the rest secondary, or tertiary, to it. The other stuff matters, but the main, or first focus, should be that this is this corner of the world, this new-ish hero, after his intro in either Civil War, or Age Of Ultron, and who he is as a person, a leader, a hero, and what place he might have outside Wakanda, with the stuff with Tony and Steve, the Avengers, or Thanos and the Infinity Stones.

    Like with any non-black, or white led, film, though they have this other stuff to consider too.
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    Chadwick is a hell of an actor I saw him in the James Brown biopic he looked nothing like him but he acted, and sounded just like James Brown so much that you forgot all about the looks. Thats how good his acting his. He portrays a lot of real life people tho I cant wait to see him portray a comic book character

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