Rumbler's League Fall 2014 - Week 1 - Charlotte DeBel vs Primetime Harder

[Tami]

Rumbler's League Fall 2014 - Week 1

Team Charlotte DeBel

vs

Team Primetime Harder

Arena: The Battle of Mon Calamari (Star Wars: Clone Wars)

Rules:

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• The Matches will last for 3 days, which means they will end on Friday of each week.

[Tami]

Team Charlotte DeBel

The updated strat pt.1
B]Priority on dealing with opponent’s team: Gohan>Polagra=Reed>everyone else.
[/B]Concern about NPC: Lots of good tech loot but not fast enough to matter in the battle’s outcome.
But enough with prelude, let’s go to strat:
My entire team is mindlinked, with Contessa on the spotter duty (she no-sold Imp’s invisibility and she’ll likely do this with the One Ring power). Harry’s cloak is useless as it’s not fool proof even in the series itself, and was NEVER used to hide anything with 0.001% of Ultimate Gohan’s power. Engineer with her “Machine TP” will filter out whatever uncomfortable stuff may come from Contessa’s mind, and use her nano-mesh as a filler.

Queen of Clubs:
In the first picosecond(s) of the match Queen of Clubs will time dump Gohan with “Og Ot Naver” dispatching him back into the time of Darth Revan (of whom she has previous knowledge due to the connection with Queen of Hearts and her databanks). Zatanna as a normal human was capable of bullet time spellcasting, and I’m sure she’s more than capable of relativistic gunfight. Also, unlike Golden Saints she got actual light speed reaction feats (Santa Delivery feat required Flash-like reaction feats).

Once she's dealt with Gohan (literally in her first opening move, as anything else is too late), her priority shifts between Polagra and Reed, who are also "usual clients" for timedump but that depends on how quick the rest of the team is in dispatching them.

Time-dumped: Gohan; possibly followed by Polagra and Reed.

Queen of Spades:
Polagra is the tricky one, but she has Contessa gunning for her. While the opponent is likely to abuse the “correcting squint” feat for what’s worth, Contessa has at least EQUAL thinking speed with her (likely superior, since Blue Marvel has no reaction feast worth its salt and his top travel speed was clocked on somewhere like 0.1% speed of light). So Contessa will do the following to the opponent she CAN see due to her PtV power (whatever her power says to be better route): a) Disintegrate Polagra on molecular level using the Star Brand powers; b) Shoot her to the head with her trusty Big Guns of Death (and then send a few bullets into sculls of other opponents); c) time-dump her with Star Brand’s powers allowing for time travel.

Out in whatever way is convenient: The Blue Empress; possibly everybody else due to the bullets from SoK guns.

Queen of Diamonds:
Starts in Ghost Form, invisible and intangible. Unleashes the massive TP attack on another team, focusing on Stonecutter Feanor and Reed. She’ll also duplicate herself into four copies, sending one to overshadow Reed and offer Lashiel a deal with herself as better host than this rubber nerd. Stonecutter’s TP resistance feats are nothing on the level of MGH boosted Emma.

Out: Feanor/Stonecutter, Reed.

Queen of Hearts:
Abuses the multitasking of Coluan processor for what’s worth. She’s on the mindlinking duty for the team, leaving Emma the one to attack. At the same time she unleashes the technopathic attack using both nanites and the radiotechnopathy, with the attempt to take out Brainiac 5 and assist Emma with Feanor and Reed, as well as takes over whatever useful technology (droids, ships) there are in the immediate location of the team. Thirdly, she’ll unleash a “nano shredder” web to kill everybody on opposing team that is not shut down already (the nanites are launched at the speed of Prometheus Suit).

Out: Possibly everyone left standing.

King of Clubs
On the cleanup duty. Likely kills the Stonecutter (who is at the disadvantage due to no stone to manipulate, and the Crown boost allowed Etrigan to toss hell lords around like sick puppies). Stonecutter will likely classify as a demon host to him, so despite his status as a hero he’ll be able to use lethal force to get rid of him.

Out: Possibly everybody left standing.

Contingencies:
My team will work as intelligently as possible to dispatch the opponents as quickly as possible when using our powers to counter any nasty surprises.Whoever dispatches their opponents is free to help the others deal with remaining ones.

Useful notes on my team:
Morality: Engineer (a founding member of the infamous Authority) and Emma Frost are the clear cut antiheroes. Contessa is borderline case between anti-hero and anti-villain depending on how you view the story of the Worm. Zatanna is thought a clear-cut cape but she was perfectly OK with turning some random bystanders into birds just because she had a bad evening, and the Coronet has sort of destabilizing effect on wielder’s emotions. Finally, Dante, while he’s mostly in the same boat as Zee, is perfectly OK with using lethal force on the guys possessed by demons (Mr Richards, I’m looking at you).
Teamwork: In fact, Contessa will be the one most benefitting from teamwork on team with three telepaths in it. For the most of the Worm series she had to rely on her powers for basic communication, since she’s the native of Earth Aleph stranded on Earth Bet with a mission. Now with telepaths on the team she’ll finally be able to communicate normally at least with them (a major confidence boost). And with Scion also in the tourney winning this thing becomes a priority.
Speed: Queen of Clubs is the fastest one in my team (Powerpuff Girls have a bunch of Flash-scale feats and are up there with Impulse). Queen of Hearts has the thiniking speed of the fastest supercomputer in the world AKA something also near C or = C. King of Clubs and Queen of Spades are clocked somewhere from 0.3C (calculation for Dante in Quicksilver mode, likely faster as the Crown boosts base stats for demons as well) to 0.1C (Smallville Kryptonian speed). Queen of Diamonds is a relative slowpoke but her thinking speed already has several ridiculous feats and due to Ghost Powers of the Danny Phantom series her speed is like 10 to 15 times that of trained human.

Some more notes:
1. Unleashing planet destroying blasts on POPULATED planet is a major OOC for Gohan, as he’s a heroic character in DBZ, not a villain. However, both Queen of Hearts and Queen of Clubs are more than capable of raising the shields on lightspeed or use the nanites to block the bulk of the blast.
2. Polagra is too slow there relative to Zatanna for her “seal the mouth shut” trick or major messing with anatomy before Gohan is time-dumped, but just in case – all my characters are either regenerators or have the ways around this.
3. Beta Suit is only about as fast as unamped Quicksilver mode and a bit of this time will be spent by Stonecutter transmuting useful materials to him;
4. The SoK bullets are homing and not transmutable, so even if Contessa dies after unleashing the clip they are likely to hit their targets. Suicidal mission is an acceptable option in dealing with Polagra there.
5. My team will work intelligently using whatever powers are on their disposal to avoid other nasty surprises.

[Tami]

Team Primetime Harder

The Mothers' actions will be concentrated around defending Reed as he 'clocks up' and activates the Gold Watch, which he will do by physical action rather than using his telekinesis.

Gohan will use his superior speed and attack power to prevent interference from Contessa and Zatanna, them being the fastest opponents. No one on Team GSM, however, is fast enough to react to an invisible attacker moving at that many multiples of lightspeed, nor has the defense to stand up to his area blast, amplified by the awakening of his Cosmo and still further by the Fruit of Might. He will blanket the entire team with said blast, doing his best to take them out before they can harm any of his teammates. He will also stay well outside the range of Indigo's "feeler net," completely negating any chance to react to him.

On the off chance that Indigo survives, the rest of the team will immediately link their minds together through Polgara's telepathy and use their combined knowledge and willpower to defeat any attempt to use mind control and/or technopathy. Reed, Brainiac, and the Stonecutter's tech knowledge and matter manipulation will give them a solution to any problem Indigo is capable of throwing at them, and each of them has significant willpower; able to stand up to gods and Xavier-class telepaths individually, joined together and backed by the amplified strength of Polgara's reality-bending will, even such a mighty mental force will not be able to prevail, especially since they only need to hold out for the briefest fraction of a second.

Emma Frost's own mental abilities will not come into play here, as every one of the Mothers is fast enough to act before she can think. Reed's inclusion in the effort will not slow his activation of the watch in the slightest, as both he and Dr. Manhattan having proven to be able to concentrate on several tasks at once; and since his own will is enough to keep 'Penny' in check, the presence of all four minds will ensure no funny business.

Assuming any opponents survived the initial onslaught - not very likely - the endgame is for Reed to, during the time stop, construct temporal acceleration devices for the rest of the Mothers using his telekinesis, and work with them to construct a cannon powered by a modified Silmaril, the Cosmic Control Rod, Polgara's will to power the device, and Gohan's strongest Kamehameha. One shot from such a fearsome weapon will obliterate any who may be left standing.

CONTINGENCIES: Should it prove necessary, Feanor will use the Philosopher's Stone to transfer his essence into Indigo's body and transmit a STOP signal to all her tech. Should Dante both prove able to act during a time stop and survive to see it, Reed is more than fast and powerful enough to disintegrate him before he can do any damage.

[Charlotte DeBel]

Well, let's start this...shall we?
The Picosecond Mayhem
"Staying outside the range of the feeler net" is a quite...hard task when also blasting. If we look at the minimal range of "half a mile" for MOON worth of nano-mass (which is actually harder), that means that... we have about 100 picoseconds in worst case to dump Gohan back into long-long time ago of the galaxy far, far away. The Seventh Sense speed-up amps ones' physical speed, but not the speed of the blasts which are light-speed unless otherwise noted. Why "worst case"?
I'Noxian Collective is a f*cking lots of nanites, think a Moon made of nanites. As seen in my write-up, Engineer was able to reconfigure the 9 pints she has in her body to no-sell a point-blank nuke ("That wasn't fun" is not much of a reaction) or take hits from Captain Atom. Nine pints. Here she has the hardware so advanced that Brainiac 5 is a museum piece in comparison (Indigo is Brainiac 8.0), and Moon worth of nanites. If Gohan stays out of range and blasts, he's time dumped and his energy reflected on his own team. 100 picoseconds is more than enough for this.
If he stays... well, nano shredder propelled at the speed of Prometheus Suit combined with Gohan's own speed is more than enough to do in even him. Finally this DBZ brick will face a moon that fights back. In not a nice way. Speedsters, meet feeler net. Remember, the feat on scans is a)without a Moon of nanomass; b) with no nanites spread out previously unlike there.
Once Gohan is dead - "pick your poison", either he's shredded or time-dumped into distant past, your team is deader than dead. Polagra is spending her sweet, sweet time fighting away Queen of Hearts who is on real-time light-speed (=faster than everybody in your team other that now-likely-dead Gohan) with Emma (who is a prime "TP hacker" of Marvel universe, made name for her by breaking through the most ridiculous psi-shields) and Contessa (PtV power giving her combinations of messages to break even strongest willpower), and you have NOBODY to counter the Glorious Queen of Clubs on time-dump galore. Or she may get more creative.
Oh, and in any of two cases of Gohan's death the Invisibility Cloak is about as useful to him as an enchanted loincloth (providing that it hides somebody with his energy level in the first place. Also, the thing was no-sold by Dumbledore and Moody in universe, both won't pass the interview for position of Shadowcrest librarian.

All Your Amps Belong to Us
The scan I posted in Contingencies notes? Talisman sucking magical amp out of PUNCHES. Tanaraq is is the same weight class as Sauron, so in direct magical combat Polagra is toast as well. In fact, not counting Dr. Doomnaut and Emporer Vulcan who are somewhat close, that's the BEST magical drainer in the League.
Loki is a cap for spellcasters. Let's behold what Talisman does with his spell that turns humans into gods. Also, the absorbed magic goes to form auto-shields durable enough to take Class 100 punches.

Balrogs May Cry
Quicksilver and Beta Suit mostly cancel each other, you are right. And that's base Quicksilver without Crown's amps. Also, for your information - a Million Stab move which does exactly what is said on the tin (at least in the lore) is compatible with Quicksilver (AKA not tied to any particular style). So... poor, poor Feanor gets blitzed.
How strong are Crown's amps?
Well, a baseline human was able to hurt Etrigan with the blasts of its energy.
And Etrigan himself was amped to be tough enough to toy with the King of his native realm of Hell.
So... yeah. So bad... so sad.

Telepathic Assault
Even before good stuff from Azimov's book, Engineer was adept in using radiotelepathy for holding the conferences. So telepathically asking for advice just in case is perfectly possible.

The Many Misfortunes of Mister Fantastic
Reed Richards is about the worst kind of host for Lashiel possible. Dr Manhattan "quantum perception" traps him into the trap of determinism (to which he was already prone before - see Civil War). Denarians love free will for humans. So... there will be enough of "get me the f*ck out of here" mindscape battle in Reed's head to open the hole in your team's telepathic defense to exploit...and the attempt to overshadow from a teleporting intangible Emma clone (Danny Phantom ghosts can teleport) will be met as an act of LIBERATION. And since you left your coup de grace to Reed... that's some unfortunate news for you.

[Charlotte DeBel]

Some more things to clarify.
The whole thing hinges on the one fact - is Kamehameha FTL in the very, very nanite-saturated environment? From what I know, the claims for the blast is "high end relativistic speed"/C. The only claim I found is that somebody (Raditz?) moved FTL when dodging the blast. Or some very-very vague calculation that apparently puts it at 11C but the feat happens not in Solar system and we don't even know distance between the local planets and star.
On the relativistic speeds 0.5 km suddenly turn into long, long distance for light to travel. When put into perspective, the feat is the same as Zatanna reacting to bullets only with "dump then transmute/reflect" this time. Worst case. If it is SLIGHTLY FTL.

Also, for those unfamiliar with Contessa - there is some good stuff on her.
Physically she's a regular "Jane Doe". However, when her Path to Victory power takes over she performs EVERYTHING she can in order to win physically flawlessly. She acts on autopilot.
http://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/1258202/
The first two snippets of this post is a physically normal human (aka Contessa) soloing the teams of metahumans (first fight - she fights a speedster, deflects the bullet with thrown knife and uses the guy with Ultra-Breath as the useful environment control tool turning his ability against his own teammates). Now imagine crazy stuff she can do with the full arsenal of her powers given to her.
And full arsenal of Starbrand's powers includes molecular disintegration, temporal and dimensional travel and other crazy insane stuff.

Third snippet is an origin story. Very interesting in its own.

This was basically a bump post, but I thought I can as well provide more information on the feats of the more obscure member of the team/ask a question to my opponent.

[Darth Drizzle]

With little TP defense alot of the fight hangs on taking out Emma and others before they get going. Gohan amped with the Fruit and Awakening has more than enough power to take out a moon, but there are other factors helping that as well, plus Reed and his moves plus some others couod make it a fight if the TP is countered. Close fight so far.

[Charlotte DeBel]

Some more things that apparently require clarification.
Telepathy, thinking speed and so on and so forth
As I've said, Marvel telepaths think on superhuman speeds. Brains of Cuckoos (who are Emma's clones, by the way) were explicitly compared to quantum computers. Darth might remember this little example from our duel. Mutant Growth Hormone boosts mutant powers, but also boosts all the superpowers sufficiently similar to mutations. Nitro, the most infamous case of the drug use, is not a homo superior.
Danny Phantom ghosts are not even the spirits of dead people proper. And "half-ghosts" are as close as mutants as it gets, Danny Phantom is no different to Spiderman in fact. So... Mutant Growth Hormone can boost the base (10 times faster the human) a bit more. When applying this to thinking speed...we get pretty handy numbers.

As for my other speedsters - Talisman grants its wielder telepathy as well (though mostly meditative, and Zatanna has enough TP feats without this trinket). Also. Just in case it's worst case kind of blast speed - Queen of Clubs can just do this. And then do everything needed a bit more calmer. Really, you waged too much on one brick and he's an one trick pony. A big, badass pony - but still one to blast, punch and not doing much else.
And the spells are more of a general instructions anyways.

Another one on assault duty is Queen of Hearts (Indigo/Engineer).
The 8th Generation of Brainiacs, unlike the museum piece you have.
There's some nice display of her reaction speed. That's the blitzing Superboy Indigo is fighting there. And it's HORRIBLY DAMAGED Indigo, operating on third of her power.
Another display, not so impressive, though.
The incredible processor speeds come with "racial perks" as MunchKING would have said. 1.2 picoseconds is the RL 2006 world record for the fastest transistor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picosecond
Don't have current numbers but they are likely greater.

[Charlotte DeBel]

My likely final post due to the timezones issue (tomorrow at remaining time I'll be at work...working. So I'll vote but won't be able to post).
First of all, I'd like to apologize for calling Polgara Polagra. An annoying typo, I know. So I'm sorry

Second, there's something I'd like to showcase in terms of aim.
Indigo's sensory system is advanced enough to no-sell the cloaking system advanced enough "to make STAR Labs hardware seem antiquated" and no cloaking you posses at base (AKA in relevant time) has feats against those systems of detectors.
Nanites (once again, that's a crapton of them) also allow to create the advanced scanning systems.
So...the cloaking of yours is pretty meaningless, and the speed is also...because Kamehameha blasts themselves were never ever clocked as SUFFICIENTLY faster than light. That's why my opener counters your opener despite your top speedster by himself being faster than my top speedster.

Third. It occurred to me that I'm the only player who has the time freeze ability but did not use it at the start of the match but only as contingency if the opening K-wave of opponent is faster than C or 2C. Funny, isn't it?

[Darth Drizzle]

Leaning CDB right now as her counters and main attacks seem more solid. Will wait to vote of course and still waiting for some more debate.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Leaning CDB right now as her counters and main attacks seem more solid. Will wait to vote of course and still waiting for some more debate.

Well, that, and Primetime hasn't exactly responded. But it doesn't change the fact that she has the more concrete plan/contingencies.

[Dalak]

My likely final post due to the timezones issue (tomorrow at remaining time I'll be at work...working. So I'll vote but won't be able to post).

RL is the priority, but you've added to the various debates so don't feel guilty for not posting as you vote. If any outsiders feel like voting all they have to do is give a decent reason why with a post to explain their vote.

Leaning CDB right now as her counters and main attacks seem more solid. Will wait to vote of course and still waiting for some more debate.

Well, that, and Primetime hasn't exactly responded. But it doesn't change the fact that she has the more concrete plan/contingencies.

I'm pretty much here too.

[Tami]

Somethings can be internalized, the gold watch ... I don't think so. To work it needs to be manually operated. So, that part of PH's strat I don't buy. Holding the watch in your hand and pressing the button only requires a second or two, yet PH seems to indicate it would take Reed longer.

Going with Charlotte this time.