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    Default Rumbler's League Fall 2014 - Week 1 - The MunchKING vs Darth Drizzle

    Rumbler's League Fall 2014 - Week 1

    Team The MunchKING

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    Team Darth Drizzle


    Arena: The Battle of Mon Calamari (Star Wars: Clone Wars)

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    Team The MunchKING

    Extreme Bomber
    Mega Man (Mega Man Games) 5;
    - Special Liquid Electron Gun Specially Designed for Shooting the Antidote to Chemical X at the Powerpuff Girls and Eliminating their Powers (Powerpuff Girls) 9;
    - Krypto Chip (UI) 10;
    - Sword of Arta Myrdhn (Guardians of the Flame) 5;

    IMPULSE!
    Bart Allen (DC Comics) 10;

    The Avatar Queen
    Asuna Kagurazaka (Negima! Magister Negi Magi) 5;
    - Magneto's Psychic Resistant Helmet (Marvel) 7;
    - Weapon of Ares (Items of Olympus/OC item) 9;
    - Adamantium Curiass (Marvel) 4;
    - Avatar Power Infusion (Avatar/LOK) (6);
    - Combination Ring of Invisibility and Demon Spawn Slaying (Hackmaster) 4;

    The Theuge from Hel
    Durkon Thundersheild (Order of the Stick) 5;
    -Soul Splice (Order of the Stick) 9;

    The Hardy Boyz!
    Matt Hardy (Wrestling) 1
    Jeff Hardy (Wrestling) 1

    Bluntman and Chronic
    Bluntman: the Hemp Knight (Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back) 1
    Chronic (Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back) 1

    The Liche of Ultimate Power
    Xykon (Order of the Stick) 7
    Black Star (Skyrim) 3;
    Belt Buckle of Holding, 3 Favors Version (Hackmaster) 9;

    The Luggage
    Luggage, The (Discworld) 4

    The Assassin of Evil
    Hit-Girl (Kick-Ass) 2

    The Rainbow Dead.
    Undertaker, The (Wrestling) 2
    Rainbow Plate (OI/Chrono Trigger) 6
    Vs,

    Team: Power Inc.

    Emperor Vulcan
    Vulcan(9): Sternritter Blood Gift V: The Visionary(10), Exposure to Futurists Evolution Accelerator(8), Gauntlet of Altwaal(9), Consumption of Space Whale Meat(8)(Speed Default), Instant Transmission Training(4)

    Dr.Firestorm
    Dr.Manhattan(9)/Jason Bourne(1): Firestorm Matrix: Ronnie Raymond Version(9), Velocity 9(8), Super Skrull Power Engineering: X-Factor Set, Exposure to Gamma Radiation:Leader Edition(4)

    The Ninja
    Kakashi(8)/Tempo(6): Knowledge of Fusion Dance(x2)(8), Belt of Gender Swapping(1)(Tempo), Omega Bolt of Zeus(10), Helmet of Invisibilty(2)


    The Original
    Catwoman(Pfeiffer)(1)

    The Newb
    Catwoman(Hathaway)(1)



    Alright let’s open this league on an AWESOME note.

    Mega Man has the power of Superman at League Limits thanks to the Krypto chip. He will immediately activate the Flash Stopper which stops time for about 10 seconds or so. Now think about what all Superman could do in ten seconds with his Superspeed.

    MegaMan will shoot my humans with the Electron Gun set to positive. Note that enough Chemical X blasted into Princess to put her at PPG+ levels didn’t even significantly deplete the Chemical X in the blue side. Indeed even when he went full-rapid fire mode with the Antidote, it didn’t noticeably drop the red side. Thus the laser must be very efficient. Therefore he should have more than enough juice to power 6 ordinary Humans into PPG+ Level Superheroes.

    Then Megaman has the rest of the ten seconds to beat everyone else with Superman level strength, Heat Vision, and the Mega Buster.

    If the match lasts long enough for the Timestop to wear off, now there are 6 more PPG+ level heroes joining the fray, along with the casters. I’d like to remind everyone that Princess not only had the physical stats in excess of the Powerpuff Girls (and indeed the durability to no-sell all three of them wailing on her physically) but also a lot of their more esoteric powers. Likewise my team will have the full gamut of PPG powers at PPG+ Levels. Heck, they could probably boost Asuna and Impulse too, but I won’t bet the fight on it.

    Alright. Vulcan can absorb energy, but can he absorb raw kinetic energy of someone punching him in the face? More importantly can he resist 4-5 of the best fighters in Wrestling and Movies beating on him with Superman+ level stats? Even if he can absorb Kinetic energy the wiki says Havock overwhelmed him before, so a superman-being beating him an ludicrous number of times during literally no time at all (Megaman in time stop), should overwhelm even this much more powerful version’s abilities.

    Dr. Manhatten on the other hand I’m not sure ever had his durability or respawn time truly tested. So if he doesn’t stay down after eating a Twist of Fate or Chokeslam to Hell, they can keep distracting him until Xykon can bind him into the buckle and command him to defeat his own team.


    When it comes to an invisible Ninja trying to attack my dudes, I will point out that both Liches and Vampires have a racial +8 to Search and Listen checks, and Xykon at least has used it to catch invisible sneaks before (while talking like James earl Jones no less… That is an Incredibvle boost to Listen checks apparently). Also the Avatar has been known to sense spirits and other things invisible to the eyes of mortals but that’s not a sure thing. The Luggage also has some weird power to detect people despite not having eyes, and if it eats the Ninja, well he ain’t coming back from that.

    Impulse can use his energy scouts to try and time-dump the other team.

    Hit girl could decapitate either of the Catwomans without any boosts. With Chemical X she’ll be unstoppable!


    Standard disclaimers about the intelligence of the heroes and villians on my team, etc. I’m tired good night.
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    Team Darth Drizzle

    Opening Observations:
    ++Interesting Areana with teams fighting in the Ocean in top of huge ships. With Asuna having Avatar powers Water Bending is a given here and will be watched. Speed wise Impulse and Mega Man are the only ones with comparable speed, but a big thing is only Asuna has any kind Mental/Telepathic defense at base.

    Emporer Vulcan:
    ++Starting things off Vulcan makes 2 clones of himslef and they all amp up thier energy/physical powers as they think "I am the fastest person on the planet" while speeding forward at Impulse and Mega Man with Vulcan himself targeting all enemies.

    ++The Impulse Vulcan uses his TK to trap or halt the movements of Impulse then transmute the small speedster into a Rat then incinerate him. As Impulse cant see energy and Vulcan attacks at long range he cant dodge what he can't see or feel and it happens instantly. Also with no Telepathy defense or flight the other attacks coming at him from Dr. Firestorm and the Ninja also take him out.

    ++ The Mega Man clone uses Instant transmission to appear behind Mega Man and does a huge AOE omnidirectional blast that would destroy the PPG Gun and anybody close to him, then he drains the energy from Mega Man instantly(who is not nearly as powerful as Adam Warlock who Vulcan drained instantly before his massive item boosts) and shuts him down. Also as he is metal he can be transmuted and/or transmuted by Dr Firestorm and Kamui'd by the Ninja.

    ++Vulcan himself targets all and uses high end boosted Telepathy and/or Electrical manipulation to shut down all enemy minds then finds Asuna(using his energy sight/senses) and uses Instant Transmission to appear behind her and take her out with a energy blast. Then if any enemy is still around he takes care of them one by one with energy blasts that take them all out.
    Taken Out: Impulse, Mega Man, anyone with no Telepthic Defense

    Dr. Firestorm:
    ++Uses his high end intelligence to combine his Cosmic and Firestorm powers toghether as he splits into 3 and targets Asuna, Xykon, and the original targets Impulse/Mega Man.

    ++The Clone targeting Asuna finds her with his Cosmic Awareness/Echo-Location/Energy Sensing and counters any major Water Attacks with his more powerful TK(as the entire Mars scene showed) and transmutes as much of her armor/clothes/items into salt as he can then KO's her by crushing her with her Adamantium chest plate or tossing her to space with his Magneto/Polaris powers.

    ++The Clone targeting Xykon uses his Telepathy to find him, teleport behind him, and explode him using his Cosmic powers enhanced by Firestorm energy and/or transmute his clothes into iron then crushes him with it. The Ninja helps out the clone with energy absobtion and counters as well.

    ++The original Dr Firestorm helps out with Impulse and Mega Man as he uses his Metal Manipulation to crush or stop the movements of Mega Man completely, and to transmute Impulses clothes to iron and crush him as well. Then he goes and targets any other enemies still in play and transmutes everything he can then blasts them away.
    Taken Out: Asuna, Xykon, Mega Man, Impulse

    The Ninja:
    ++Invisible at the start and infused with massive energy powers he starts by making o clones(made with Chakra/Omega Bolt Energy) who all slow down time around themselves to amp up their speed Zoom style and they target Dorkon, the Luggage, and Xykon.

    ++The clone targeting Durkon uses Kamui at range to rip Durkons upper body to another dimension while speeding around invisibley and countering any magic energy he tries to use with his Thor like energy powers and slipping through any physical attacks with his Sharingan power and taking him out in close range combat if need be.

    ++The clone targeting the Luggage also uses Kamui at range to send it to another dimension but this one is used in a large AOE style, or put on a throwing knife and thrown at class 100 speed that ensure that the Luggage is taken out.

    ++The original Ninja armors up with Susanoo and takes out any PPG's made or any Impulse clones that are made with Kamui enhanced giant Shurikens and close range combat with his Susanoo having time amped speed/strength to put him above Impulse and Krypto-Chip Mega Man.
    Taken Out: Xykon, The Luggage, Mega Man, Impulse, Durkon, Asuna, Matt, Jeff, Bluntman, Chronic, Hit Girl, Undertaker

    Opening Observations:
    ++Interesting Areana with teams fighting in the Ocean in top of huge ships. With Asuna having Avatar powers Water Bending is a given here and will be watched. Speed wise Impulse and Mega Man are the only ones with comparable speed, but a big thing is only Asuna has any kind Mental/Telepathic defense at base.

    Emporer Vulcan:
    ++Starting things off Vulcan makes 2 clones of himslef and they all amp up thier energy/physical powers as they think "I am the fastest person on the planet" while speeding forward at Impulse and Mega Man with Vulcan himself targeting all enemies.

    ++The Impulse Vulcan uses his TK to trap or halt the movements of Impulse then transmute the small speedster into a Rat then incinerate him. As Impulse cant see energy and Vulcan attacks at long range he cant dodge what he can't see or feel and it happens instantly. Also with no Telepathy defense or flight the other attacks coming at him from Dr. Firestorm and the Ninja also take him out.

    ++ The Mega Man clone uses Instant transmission to appear behind Mega Man and does a huge AOE omnidirectional blast that would destroy the PPG Gun and anybody close to him, then he drains the energy from Mega Man instantly(who is not nearly as powerful as Adam Warlock who Vulcan drained instantly before his massive item boosts) and shuts him down. Also as he is metal he can be transmuted and/or transmuted by Dr Firestorm and Kamui'd by the Ninja.

    ++Vulcan himself targets all and uses high end boosted Telepathy and/or Electrical manipulation to shut down all enemy minds then finds Asuna(using his energy sight/senses) and uses Instant Transmission to appear behind her and take her out with a energy blast. Then if any enemy is still around he takes care of them one by one with energy blasts that take them all out.
    Taken Out: Impulse, Mega Man, anyone with no Telepthic Defense

    Dr. Firestorm:
    ++Uses his high end intelligence to combine his Cosmic and Firestorm powers toghether as he splits into 3 and targets Asuna, Xykon, and the original targets Impulse/Mega Man.

    ++The Clone targeting Asuna finds her with his Cosmic Awareness/Echo-Location/Energy Sensing and counters any major Water Attacks with his more powerful TK(as the entire Mars scene showed) and transmutes as much of her armor/clothes/items into salt as he can then KO's her by crushing her with her Adamantium chest plate or tossing her to space with his Magneto/Polaris powers.

    ++The Clone targeting Xykon uses his Telepathy to find him, teleport behind him, and explode him using his Cosmic powers enhanced by Firestorm energy and/or transmute his clothes into iron then crushes him with it. The Ninja helps out the clone with energy absobtion and counters as well.

    ++The original Dr Firestorm helps out with Impulse and Mega Man as he uses his Metal Manipulation to crush or stop the movements of Mega Man completely, and to transmute Impulses clothes to iron and crush him as well. Then he goes and targets any other enemies still in play and transmutes everything he can then blasts them away.
    Taken Out: Asuna, Xykon, Mega Man, Impulse

    The Ninja:
    ++Invisible at the start and infused with massive energy powers he starts by making o clones(made with Chakra/Omega Bolt Energy) who all slow down time around themselves to amp up their speed Zoom style and they target Dorkon, the Luggage, and Xykon.

    ++The clone targeting Durkon uses Kamui at range to rip Durkons upper body to another dimension while speeding around invisibley and countering any magic energy he tries to use with his Thor like energy powers and slipping through any physical attacks with his Sharingan power and taking him out in close range combat if need be.

    ++The clone targeting the Luggage also uses Kamui at range to send it to another dimension but this one is used in a large AOE style, or put on a throwing knife and thrown at class 100 speed that ensure that the Luggage is taken out.

    ++The original Ninja armors up with Susanoo and takes out any PPG's made or any Impulse clones that are made with Kamui enhanced giant Shurikens and close range combat with his Susanoo having time amped speed/strength to put him above Impulse and Krypto-Chip Mega Man.
    Taken Out: Xykon, The Luggage, Mega Man, Impulse, Durkon, Asuna, Matt, Jeff, Bluntman, Chronic, Hit Girl, Undertaker
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    Team Darth Drizzle - continued

    The Catwomen:
    +They are teleported in front of Hit Girl, Jay, Bob, Matt, Jeff, and the Undertaker and they use their fighting skills and claws to do as much damage as they can before their teamates finish off their opponents for them.

    Defenses:
    ++Vulcan will absorb or redirect any energy coming at him or his team back to sender. He can reform his body from complete destruction using any energy available, and can heal himself with a thought before it even gets to that.
    ++Dr.Firestorm will phase or go intangible through any attack and can manipulate energy to go around him as well. He also has Magneto level sheilds as he can combine Polaris, Siryn, Firestorm, plus his own Cosmic energy to form mighty sheilds.
    ++The Ninja can absorb/manipulate energy at Mjolnir levels and can send any energy/physical attack to another dimension at range or with touch, and can send his body or parts of his body to another dimension to slip through attacks like phasing/intangibility.

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    Vulcan shutting down electrical impulses to brain to KO a person.
    Vulcan manipulting Warlocks energy
    Vulcan rapidly draining Warlocks energy before he can use it.

    How Kakashi's Kamui technique works
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    Since Mega Man is the Key to enemy stratagy I will start with his moves.

    With Vulcan having a Reality Warping abiliy that is now boosted 10x or more him making himself "the fastest person on the planet" would make him faster than Mega Man and as Speed can counter time manipulation(Gladiator keeping up with Reed Richards time dialation belts) he wouldnt be affected by the low powered time stop(The Visionary powers have better Reality Warping feats than the Time Stop), and his mental/energy attacks take out all. Plus with his Futurists Evolution he has high end Cosmic Awareness, intelligence, and Omega level Mutant power pushed to the max Then boosted 10x or more by the Gauntlet and being a Summers Brother he very well could like his Nephew Nate Grey use Plank Time and step in between time itself and be immune to it's effects. Either way Time Stops wont affect him here.

    Also Kakashi has time powers of his own that are better than Mega Mans before being amped up by the Fusion upgrade. Also The Ninja himself has the Duty of stopping PPG clones he would intercept Mega Man as he is trying to shoot the much slower acting Gun, and with his ability to go right through any attack Mega Man tries and D-Dump him with Kamui the Ninja would take out Mega Man before he makes clones, and with his Mjolnir/Thor energy powers added to his Giant Susanoo he would take care of any clones Mega Man had made.

    Dr Manhattan already perceives Time differently with his powers and Cosmic Awareness and now he has top Marvel level intelligence to use them and his Firestorm powers to the fullest, so he wont be a slave to predetermined factors anymore making him free to try any/everything he can to win.

    Defensively the PPG'd up characters would all be solo'd by the Susanoo armored Ninja, who is much faster than them and hits way harder(a 30ft wide fist and massive Swords will do that) plus he can go intangible at any time(even inside the Susanoo armor) so literally none of their attacks woukd hit him.

    Xykon and Dorkons moves wont happen before they are taken out, and as none of them can even see the movements of the people they are trying to hit and the spells themselves have never hit a lightspeed+ character their moves are countered naturally and in wny case Vulcan or the Ninja can absorb/manipulate magic energy on a much higher scale and wouod cancel out their moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Drizzle View Post
    With Vulcan having a Reality Warping abiliy that is now boosted 10x or more him making himself "the fastest person on the planet" would make him faster than Mega Man
    Technically that both depends on whether he considers Megaman a person and whether he can pull it off at all.

    Besides, he's got to make clones, THEN they begin speedboosting themselves, while Megaman just has to think to activate the Flash Stopper.

    and as Speed can counter time manipulation(Gladiator keeping up with Reed Richards time dialation belts)
    That's time dialation rather than actually stopping time.

    and being a Summers Brother he very well could like his Nephew Nate Grey use Plank Time and step in between time itself and be immune to it's effects. Either way Time Stops wont affect him here.
    *raises an eyebrow* you've got feats for this?

    Also Kakashi has time powers of his own that are better than Mega Mans before being amped up by the Fusion upgrade.
    And if she had any time to use them, that might be relevant.

    Also The Ninja himself has the Duty of stopping PPG clones he would intercept Mega Man as he is trying to shoot the much slower acting Gun, and with his ability to go right through any attack Mega Man tries and D-Dump him with Kamui the Ninja would take out Mega Man before he makes clones, and with his Mjolnir/Thor energy powers added to his Giant Susanoo he would take care of any clones Mega Man had made.
    *looks around* Nope, not seeing any feats, just assertions. So yeah feats for the Ninja Speedblitzing Superman?

    Dr Manhattan already perceives Time differently with his powers and Cosmic Awareness and now he has top Marvel level intelligence to use them and his Firestorm powers to the fullest, so he wont be a slave to predetermined factors anymore making him free to try any/everything he can to win.

    Perceives time differently doesn't mean Immune to Time Stop.

    Defensively the PPG'd up characters would all be solo'd by the Susanoo armored Ninja, who is much faster than them and hits way harder(a 30ft wide fist and massive Swords will do that) plus he can go intangible at any time(even inside the Susanoo armor) so literally none of their attacks woukd hit him.
    Except you know, energy attacks that can hit intangibles, he's not speedblitzing Superman, and Princess no-sold three PPG whaling on her. SO yeah, he's getting Chokeslammed to hell.

    In the actual PPG verse that might be less figurative than it will be here.

    Also, the sword is clearly stated to hit intangibles.

    Xykon and Dorkons moves wont happen before they are taken out, and as none of them can even see the movements of the people they are trying to hit and the spells themselves have never hit a lightspeed+ character their moves are countered naturally and in wny case Vulcan or the Ninja can absorb/manipulate magic energy on a much higher scale and wouod cancel out their moves.
    Before or after they got their faces punched in by the Shoryuken or eat a Twist of Fate?

    Now lets get on to ripping on YOUR strategy.

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    Emporer Vulcan:
    ++The Impulse Vulcan uses his TK to trap or halt the movements of Impulse then transmute the small speedster into a Rat then incinerate him. As Impulse cant see energy and Vulcan attacks at long range he cant dodge what he can't see or feel and it happens instantly. Also with no Telepathy defense or flight the other attacks coming at him from Dr. Firestorm and the Ninja also take him out.
    Actually the Firestorm powers you got said they couldn't effect people. I looked it up when I was preparing for this match. So yeah, while Vulcan is busy screwing up, He's giving Megaman loads of time.

    ++ The Mega Man clone uses Instant transmission to appear behind Mega Man and does a huge AOE omnidirectional blast that would destroy the PPG Gun and anybody close to him, then he drains the energy from Mega Man instantly(who is not nearly as powerful as Adam Warlock who Vulcan drained instantly before his massive item boosts) and shuts him down. Also as he is metal he can be transmuted and/or transmuted by Dr Firestorm and Kamui'd by the Ninja.
    Fortunately for me, the Flash Stopper stops people in mid-teleport, AND MEGAMAN CAN STILL HIT AND KILL THEM IN THAT FORM. I showed that in the clip of gameplay I posted, Megaman actually DOES stop the first Whale-bot in mid teleport, and Megaman shoots it to death before the Flash Stopper wore off.

    ++Vulcan himself targets all and uses high end boosted Telepathy and/or Electrical manipulation to shut down all enemy minds then finds Asuna(using his energy sight/senses) and uses Instant Transmission to appear behind her and take her out with a energy blast.
    She could block that with the blade tougher than pure Adamantium.

    ++The Clone targeting Asuna finds her with his Cosmic Awareness/Echo-Location/Energy Sensing and counters any major Water Attacks with his more powerful TK(as the entire Mars scene showed) and transmutes as much of her armor/clothes/items into salt as he can then KO's her by crushing her with her Adamantium chest plate or tossing her to space with his Magneto/Polaris powers.
    If he can't Transmute Adamantium he's just ASKING for an Ares-powered Harisen being repeatedly applied to his face as he pretty much would have mostly succeeded in turning her regular clothes into salt.

    And considering the speed and ease of use of the fan, and that each strike hits with the power of Hercules's Golden Mace, he's going to REALLY regret that.

    ++The Clone targeting Xykon uses his Telepathy to find him,
    Best of luck when he doesn't have a brain.

    teleport behind him,
    Which makes it really easy to bind him into the belt buckle. That was easy.

    ++The original Dr Firestorm helps out with Impulse and Mega Man as he uses his Metal Manipulation to crush or stop the movements of Mega Man completely, and to transmute Impulses clothes to iron and crush him as well. Then he goes and targets any other enemies still in play and transmutes everything he can then blasts them away.
    Feats for Dr. Manhatten or JASON BOURNE actually targeting anything that moves significantly faster than light? Much less faster than other Flashes??

    The Ninja:
    ++Invisible at the start and infused with massive energy powers he starts by making o clones(made with Chakra/Omega Bolt Energy) who all slow down time around themselves to amp up their speed Zoom style and they target Dorkon, the Luggage, and Xykon.
    the three guys I thought were most likely to detect him, Awesome!

    ++The original Ninja armors up with Susanoo and takes out any PPG's made or any Impulse clones that are made with Kamui enhanced giant Shurikens and close range combat with his Susanoo having time amped speed/strength to put him above Impulse and Krypto-Chip Mega Man.
    Well then I hope he like the Devonian Age. The Energy clone dumped him there because he thought it was just an age where everyone was named "devon" but now the Ninja is stuck a truly ridiculous amount of time in the past.


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    The Catwomen:
    +They are teleported in front of Hit Girl, Jay, Bob, Matt, Jeff, and the Undertaker and they use their fighting skills and claws to do as much damage as they can before their teamates finish off their opponents for them.
    Which given that they were no-selling three powerpuffs beating on them is "None". Guess Hit-Girl won't have to go far to show off her deadly skills.

    ++Vulcan will absorb or redirect any energy coming at him or his team back to sender. He can reform his body from complete destruction using any energy available, and can heal himself with a thought before it even gets to that.
    HAVOCK Overloaded him before. I kinda doubt multiple superman level beings beating on him is just going to get no-sold.

    ++Dr.Firestorm will phase or go intangible through any attack and can manipulate energy to go around him as well. He also has Magneto level sheilds as he can combine Polaris, Siryn, Firestorm, plus his own Cosmic energy to form mighty sheilds.
    And if he wasn't targeting someone who has a long history of cutting through shields like they didn't exist wielding a blade that explicitly his ghosts and can cut through anything, that might have done him some good.
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    A couple things to clear up.

    Vulcan DOES NOT have Firestorms power, Dr Manhattan does. He has Suoerman speed at base(Space Whale Meat) and then amps from their.

    The Ninja(Kakashi/Tempo fusion) has Wonder Woman speed At Base, then Kakashi's chakra/energy enhanced speed which let him fight evenly at high speed with people who dodge City busting explosions easily AND Tempo who can slow time Zoom style to give herself superspeed that let her fight Quicksilver while running at top speed. All that is then boosted by the DBZ Fusion they performed. Dr Firestorm with Velocity 9 has Kid Flash level speed before using any energy to amp himself up with as well.

    So basically your whole team went in thinking that they all have similar speed and they were Way off and pay dearly for it. Literally none besides Mega Man and Impulse can hit their targets with attacks at their speed.

    To the match:
    Vulcan making clones is the same as Mega Man moving his foot or hand an inch, as in it takes a thought and you can do it while doing other things. Plus Mega Man would be attacking a Vulcan Clone so the only one would be wasting time is Mega Man(as another clone would/could be made with a thought from the real Vulcan who is outside Mega Mans range). Mega Mans weak time stop can most likely be broken through like Hiro from Heroes with pure speed as its very limited to begin with.

    Plus Tempo/Kakashi whose Time manip would cancel out Mega Mans would be their to fight him off and as again Mega Man can't hit the Ninja as he is not a ghost, or spirit, or floating energy, he is a doorway to another dimension and any/everything attacking him(including energy as he went intangible for 4 minutes straight while huge explosives went off constantly around him). And the Original Ninja who uses his Giant Susanoo armor would be throwinghuge house sized Kamui Shuriken at faster than Superman speeds at everyone so nobody is dodging them and they get taken out.

    Vulcan being hurt by Havok fails for many reasons. One is he had major fights with the X-Men, the Imperial Gaurd, Gladiator, Adam Warlock, Black Bolt, and others where he used his powers wisely, like shutting down electrical signals to the brain, manipulating energy attacks back at the user, draining the energy from the user preventing him fro using any abilities, or simply cutting them off from their power sources. ALL of which he could have done against Havok(who btw absorbed a SUN to do that to Vulcan), but did not as the story/plot dictated that he shouldnt win. That is the definition of PIS which is not allowed in the League(only CIS, which Vulcan does not have and with the Futurits upgrade I bought its a moot point anyway).

    So to sum up, the enemy team came to fight with wrong intel and their stratagy fails because of it as nobody on the team can even target their enemy from 1km away with no chance at all of tagging them(you would have to argue Captain America or Spider Man hitting Black Adam while BA is moving at full speed with no PIS involved).

    Vulcan's Visionary powers amped up 10x or more outdoes Mega Mans weak timestop as the V has better Reality Warping feats plus Vulcans own Evolved and Amped powers. Plus its a CLONE that is attacking Mega Man and would be immediately replaced with a thought if taken out.

    The Ninja has faster than Wonder Woman speed at base and with a thought becomes the 2nd fastest person on the field(with Vulcan being first), and as Nobody can hit him and he can hit them at long range or up close with giant size attacks and weapons he can take out everyone here.

    Dr Firestorm is also much faster than every enemy not named Mega Man or Impulse and he also has high level intangibility(he couod phase at base and Firestorms power can also phase) and his ranged attacks can take out everyone plus between his Cosmic Awareness, Firestorm energy senses/sight, and high intelligence he can fight much better than anyone he is facing.

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    Double post.

    But this is the first time that I dont mind as the screen froze up after an 1 hour of typing up my response when I clicked on post reply. If I would have lost that post, then I would have lost my mind!!!!
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    A couple of things to clear up.
    I do believe that Tempo's time manipulation cancels out Megaman's unless there are feats stating otherwise. From this... there goes the undobutful speed advantage. I want to see the feats of "Megaman's timestop negating other timestops" as the Krypto-chip does not amp his powers other than purely physical ones. That IMO is the crucial match-defining thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Drizzle View Post
    The Ninja(Kakashi/Tempo fusion) has Wonder Woman speed At Base, then Kakashi's chakra/energy enhanced speed which let him fight evenly at high speed with people who dodge City busting explosions easily AND Tempo who can slow time Zoom style to give herself superspeed that let her fight Quicksilver while running at top speed. All that is then boosted by the DBZ Fusion they performed.
    Wonder Woman being slower than Superman, and the slow time taking time existing to actually slow, I'm not seeing where you're getting he could react to Megaman in time.

    Also didn't the DBZ fusion dance require people to be about equal in power level?

    So if one of them is Wonder Woman Level and the other is much lower, it wouldn't work.

    Also even in the time it takes Wonder Woman to pull off the fusion Dance Superman could have activated any number of thought-based powers.

    Dr Firestorm with Velocity 9 has Kid Flash level speed before using any energy to amp himself up with as well.
    Was that particular Kid Flash at Superman levels of Superspeed? More importantly was he fast enough he can do his moves before Superman THINKS?

    I'll point out I gave a lot of links supporting my arguments, and I have yet to see how fast these things you're claiming are.

    So basically your whole team went in thinking that they all have similar speed and they were Way off and pay dearly for it. Literally none besides Mega Man and Impulse can hit their targets with attacks at their speed.
    Aside from saying "feats", I'll also point out Asuna has the speed of Invincible, and all the others now have PPG speed.

    Vulcan making clones is the same as Mega Man moving his foot or hand an inch, as in it takes a thought and you can do it while doing other things.
    Which coincidently was about how much effort Mega Man needs to hit the Flash Stopper. So yeah.

    Plus Mega Man would be attacking a Vulcan Clone so the only one would be wasting time is Mega Man(as another clone would/could be made with a thought from the real Vulcan who is outside Mega Mans range).
    Outside of Superman's range?? What did you move to another plane of existence while I wasn't looking? Superman could literally cross the distance between the two teams in less time than it took you to read this sentence.

    Mega Mans weak time stop can most likely be broken through like Hiro from Heroes with pure speed as its very limited to begin with.
    Feats for that??

    Because as I pointed out, he literally stopped time while people were beaming in and shot them to death in the game, and it could freeze energy and other projectiles in their tracks. So you would have to have some feats to claim that "going fast" will break a time stop when there literally isn't any time for you to "go fast" in.

    Plus Tempo/Kakashi whose Time manip would cancel out Mega Mans would be their to fight him off and as again Mega Man
    Feats for him manipulating time while IN a time Stop, and doing it faster than Superman?

    can't hit the Ninja as he is not a ghost, or spirit, or floating energy, he is a doorway to another dimension and any/everything attacking him(including energy as he went intangible for 4 minutes straight while huge explosives went off constantly around him).
    And any/everything attacking him... what?

    And anyway. Need I point out there's a huge difference between a few explosives going off and Superman's heat vision?

    And the Original Ninja who uses his Giant Susanoo armor would be throwinghuge house sized Kamui Shuriken at faster than Superman speeds at everyone so nobody is dodging them and they get taken out.
    And then the Undertaker sits up anyway and hits him with an energy Chokeslam To Hell.

    Besides, those didn't LOOK "house sized". They looked like ordinary throwing stars.

    That is the definition of PIS which is not allowed in the League(only CIS, which Vulcan does not have and with the Futurits upgrade I bought its a moot point anyway).
    The point was if Havok could overload him, six supermen would DEFINITELY be more than he could handle.

    Vulcan's Visionary powers amped up 10x or more outdoes Mega Mans weak timestop as the V has better Reality Warping feats plus Vulcans own Evolved and Amped powers. Plus its a CLONE that is attacking Mega Man and would be immediately replaced with a thought if taken out.
    Feats for "Weak timestop" or for Vulcan working through it?

    I thought not.

    The Ninja has faster than Wonder Woman speed at base and with a thought becomes the 2nd fastest person on the field(with Vulcan being first), and as Nobody can hit him and he can hit them at long range or up close with giant size attacks and weapons he can take out everyone here.
    Feats for...

    Oh right...

    Dr Firestorm is also much faster than every enemy not named Mega Man or Impulse and he also has high level intangibility(he couod phase at base and Firestorms power can also phase) and his ranged attacks can take out everyone plus between his Cosmic Awareness, Firestorm energy senses/sight, and high intelligence he can fight much better than anyone he is facing.
    Again, I have yet to see feats for this.
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    Hmm. It was ruled that when you purchase merge items (Dance, Earrings) the characters START already merged IIRC. But I agree, power level is an issue here...
    But I'd like to remind one important thing. "PPG Speed" there is iffy. Princess Morbucks when shot from the gun was much more durable than average Powerpuff Girl but also SLOWER (not by much but unable to dodge clearly sublight projectile which is slower than WW speed). Apollo (Authority) speed I can buy for this, but nothing more. It was a power-up made for turtling, pun intended.

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    The Fusion is simple. Niether Kakashi or Tempo have DBZ Ki, so their "power levels" are the same as humans in the DBZ verse(Naruto chakra is much different DBZ ki on a conceptual level, creation and usage). So yes the Fusion would work and it does happen before the Match.

    And again the Main point in this fight is Mega Man and his moves as your while team is frozen in his Time Stop while I have 3 Ninjas who are not and they take out Mega Man and the others while Time is frozen. I already posted Kakashi's intangibility plus his Giant Armor and ranged D-Dump so Mega Man is going down then his team is seconds after as they were frozen and instantly have my whole MUCH faster team on them before they even realize.

    Asking for Wonder Woman speed feats is redundant plus I and others have posted dozens over the years of the League, and Velocity 9 speed scans are in the description link. Both the Ninja and Dr Firestorm are class 100 speedsters and they would take out everyone as planned in the strat.

    Qbsolitely nothung stops Vulcan from making himself the fastest man in the Planet(above the Ninjas time slowed speed) and doing any of his moves as no PPG or Mega Man weapon can take him out.

    Plus NO PPG attack can take out Vulcan/Ninja/Dr Firestorm as the Ninja/Manhattan can phase plus have powerful class 100 sheilds protecting them before they get to hitting their bodies and Vulcan before the Visionary Powers were added could take all out Black Bolt screams and keep fighting seconds later and with the V he can heal and reform his body with a thought, so nobody is going down to PPG punches and kicks or Heat Vision(as all could absorb energy easily).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Drizzle View Post
    And again the Main point in this fight is Mega Man and his moves as your while team is frozen in his Time Stop while I have 3 Ninjas who are not and they take out Mega Man and the others while Time is frozen.
    So you SAY. Again, we have yet to see any evidence of this.

    I already posted Kakashi's intangibility plus his Giant Armor and ranged D-Dump
    Those scans you posted in your replies were so vague as to be useless. I mean they may have made sense if you had read the whole series but the only thing I saw that said it was intangible was a guy saying "Being able to go through things is a nice power", but it doesn't say in any way that it's immune to anything that can hit intangible things.


    so Mega Man is going down then his team is seconds after as they were frozen and instantly have my whole MUCH faster team on them before they even realize.
    *patently awaits any sort of speed feats, esp. for them blitzing Superman*

    Asking for Wonder Woman speed feats is redundant plus I and others have posted dozens over the years of the League, and Velocity 9 speed scans are in the description link.
    Wonder Woman is much slower than Super man though. Which is why I ask for feats that she could either beat Megaman to the timestop, or could go even during a time stop.

    Both the Ninja and Dr Firestorm are class 100 speedsters and they would take out everyone as planned in the strat
    Well if just SAYING it made it so ; we win through total awesomeness.

    Qbsolitely nothung stops Vulcan from making himself the fastest man in the Planet(above the Ninjas time slowed speed) and doing any of his moves as no PPG or Mega Man weapon can take him out.
    Really? Even though the Megabuster has killed energy beings before?

    Plus NO PPG attack can take out Vulcan/Ninja/Dr Firestorm as the Ninja/Manhattan can phase plus have powerful class 100 sheilds protecting them before they get to hitting their bodies and Vulcan before the Visionary Powers were added could take all out Black Bolt screams and keep fighting seconds later and with the V he can heal and reform his body with a thought, so nobody is going down to PPG punches and kicks or Heat Vision(as all could absorb energy easily).
    Heat vision, energy shields, demonic powers, we've got all kinds of tricks.

    Besides, their shields may keep a power out, but 6?
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    Okay, from what I can tell this match hinges on the Time Stop going off or not - And both are Superman level speedsters here at base. Mega Man is a robot, and Vulcan has some speed feats on his own I'm assuming. I read up on him for last league, but most of that has faded in my memory I'm afraid.

    Overall I'm leaning Munch here. Vulcan's first thought isn't "Speed" or something that takes out Rock - And Impulse isn't mentioned to do anything before making Time Dumping clones so that has to be his first action which is a nasty one. Even if I assume Vulcan will last through the Time-Stop in shape to fight, he'll still be at the least distracted by the Mega-Assault giving the Barts a chance.

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    Does nobody read item profiles anymore?

    Vulcan has Superman speed thanks to the Space Whale Meat. PlUS it's a Clone who attacks Mega Man and unless Mega Mans Timestop has a .5K range(which I highly doubt given the limited Time stop) then it won't even stop any of my team.

    Plus The Ninja has Tempo merged into him who wouldnt be effected by Time Stops, and is written to take out PPG clones or stop them from being made so he would be fighting Mega Man before he shoots his non lightspeed gun at multiple people. And I already showed why and how the Ninja would win via his Intangibility(dimensional shifting so a sword that hits energy beings is still useless) plus his Armor/Strength and of course the game winner Kamui attacks both on sight and on Giant House Sized Shuriken would take him out(Iposted multiple scans on the huge size of Susanoo in this thread and its clear as day they are huge) and Mega Man cant stop it.

    And again between tanking and healing from a Black Bolt Scream at base before his V and Evolution upgrades Vulcan cant be taken out by any attack written in the stratagy. Also both the Ninja and Dr Firestorms phasing/intangibility/speed would keep them from being hit by any PPG character much less taken out by them.

    Nothing is stopping Vulcan from becoming faster than anyone and taking them out Mentally which he does first with thought speed actions.
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