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She was possessed by an outside force who caused untold destruction and death with Disassembled and M-day all the while possessing, she is also a victim here, the first one among a list of many.
Again, how is that equal to her knowing she was gonna be possessed, leading to Disassembled/HoM ? What she's tapped into before was either Chaos Magic, or other magical power sources, when did she ever encounter the LF before the CC reveal to tap into it ?
Contrary to what you are supporting, "She knew the consequences full well" is straight up fallacy.
The power displayed by Wanda during Bendis tenure were a massive retcon of what they used to be at the time, and we are talking about the writer who had Strange said "there was no such thing as Chaos magic", he of all people, to folks who actually faced Chton several times in the past...Mmh-yeah, ok.
You can buy that if you want, I really don't have to however.
A. No one questioned whether or not mutants were depowered during M-Day, I certainly didn't at least. Why you feel the need to react as if I did question that is quite off-putting tbh.
B. What I did say however is that mutant culture wasn't destroyed that day, it was crippled.
First, because not all mutants that were depowered would have abandonned what they used to do altogether following M-Day, it's ridiculous to believe such a thing. Unless you have the actual issue saying the contrary.
Second, because even if they stopped everything after M-Day, because they couldn't or wouldn't do anything anymore, all the previous creations of mutantkind would still be there, existing. Unless you have the actual issue showing every last one of said creations being destroyed.
Lastly, because culture is not limited to art anyway. Even if by any stretch all mutants and depowered mutants did drop the ball with Art and even if every single piece of their culture ever created had been destroyed following M-day, the simple fact that hundreds of them were gathered on Utopia to live there together flies in the face of mutant culture disappearing with M-Day. The same can be said about the depowered mutants who gathered in Akkaba city.
Wanda was possessed the moment the Life Force bonded with her and she was unconscious the whole time of the possession.
A drunk driver has to be conscious to actually take and drive a car, it's not the same at all...
Really.
It seems pretty necessary to me that the person is conscious to actually do that.
Don't know in what circumstances you have seen drunk people completely unconscious actually taking and driving their cars...while still being unconscious.
It makes what they might have wanted to do with said cars entirely irrelevant btw.
Can't be clearer than that.
Again, I never made the argument that she didn't seek Doom's help, that's you reacting over something I didn't actually said.
What I did argue however is that her doing such a thing doesn't equal to her knowing what the consequences would be down the line.
Which was what you were accusing her of, "knowing full well what the consequences were".
Had she knew she'd end-up possessed, we wouldn't be arguing about this topic right now, because, Disassembled and HoM wouldn't have happened - or at least, not with her as a proxy, given she wouldn't have gone through the process Doom was offering.
Also, the Bendis version had her completely snapping, it's nowhere close to an analogy to sleepwalk mind you.
That's precisely why some of the people who didn't read CC or actually did read it but decided to ignore it anyway regularly refer her as being "crazy", "insane" and so on.
It's funny you would say that, because I could say to you the exact same thing... Also, I keep repeating things on some of your points because you keep saying stuffs that are factually wrong, or inaccurate.
Or reacting to arguments I actually wasn't making in the first place... If that's how you're taking it though, well sure, feel free to disengage then, no one is forcing you to answer my posts.