Minorities In Comics and Related Media

[leo619]

So according to February DC solicts, Blue Beetle is cancelled. That's one less minority title for DC, though the book did make it to 19 issues. History says Sideways will likely replace Jaime as the lead Latino male in the DCU for now (last time it was Vibe that did). Jaime will likely end up in limbo (still has Injustice 2 though).

Surprisingly there's no solicts for Cyborg in February, which leaves me wondering if his title was cancelled or just taking a hiatus? On the bright side, Cyborg is taking over as the leader of the Justice League!

What month is the earth m series coming out?

[El_Gato]

What month is the earth m series coming out?

In the Spring, so earliest is March and the latest is May.

[Darkspellmaster]

Oh just to elaborate a bit on the first sentence, I was using that more as a rhetorical question. I'm a bit aware of how American's prudish nature began to evolve. But I was using it as a segue into my next statement. With that said, France is perfectly fine with children seeing nudity, as nudity can be seen on billboards and television shows at 4:00 in the afternoon. And full on genital sex scenes is perfectly fine for viewing from teens to adult, it's definitely not porno specific view like it is here in America. Same with Sweden. And that's the point I'm trying to illustrate, we place our viewpoint as Americans and attempt to believe other countries share the same belief when they don't.

Regarding France:

Interdit aux moins de 18 ans (-18): Forbidden for under 18s but not pornographic. Usually used for movies containing unsimulated sex (e.g. Ken Park in 2003) or extreme violence/cruelty (e.g. 1971's A Clockwork Orange) Although there are no written guidelines as to what sort of content should receive which rating and ratings are given on a case by case basis, the commissioners typically cite violent, sexual and drug related content (especially if it is deemed to be graphic or gratuitous) as reasons for higher ratings.

And Sweden:

Statens medieråd (the Swedish Media Council) is a government agency with the aims to reduce the risk of harmful media influences among minors and to empower minors as conscious media users.[102] The classification bestowed on a film should not be viewed as recommendations on the suitability for children, as the law the council operates under (SFS 2010:1882) only mandates them to assess the relative risk to children's well-being.

15 there is considered our 17. Claiming that they see nudity on Billboards is way off. Like here in the states body parts are covered and certain ads are run later at night, you know, like here. So where is this coming from. France is not the bastion of being perfectly okay with sex and nudity. There are times and places for it, but not all places have it. France has a very different culture, but at the same time there is stuff there that even now their view points are changing due to acts and feelings. A lot of changes are being made due to Chinese tourists in major cities. And given their own Conservative view points on religion, race, and other political things that we are more vocal about, yeah there is a difference, but people rightly point out that France also has a habit of expecting other countries to behave as they have too, and it's no different. Check out Andorra for example.

But again, what special purpose does it need to be added to the story. That's the point I'm saying. As you stated, it needs to add to the story, which means it has to be something special to add to the story, otherwise, we take it out. But if sex is seen as normal as walking, eating, or sleeping, does it need to have a purpose to be added to the story. And that's where the disconnect lies. We don't blink an eye to someone having a scene walking to a barbershop to talk to someone. We don't blink an eye to someone eating with their friends talking about something in a scene. So the fact that we give a magnifying glass to when a sex scene happens to validate that it deserves to be in the story points to the fact that we are not seeing it as normal.

Because, again, sex is not an every day routine. You don't go home and have sex every night (well maybe you personally do, but others don't) so the act of sex itself, while it's not a shocking and amazing thing, it does have weight because, unless you are with the same partner night after night, the actions you take can make an impact. Choices matter and that's something that even in other countries they get as well. STDs, pregnant, and other situations come from the act, and we as a society are actually trying to educate ourselves in keeping ourselves healthy about it. So while it's normal in the strictest sense, it's not an every day thing you do. You brush your hair, you poop, you eat, sex is a mating ritual that you do when you are in heat, or feel that a partner is in heat, so you go after that person.

And it's not like there is no reason for a sex scene to happen. Because a sex scene tells many things. It could be the development of a relationship. It could show that the character only cares about casual sex. It could be the character has a addiction to prostitution. There's tons upon tons of reasons for why a sex scene exist BUT a sex scene always means something. For many within Europe, that's enough. But for many Americans, the purpose for the sex scene has to be "extremely important" in order for it to be there. On the other hand, we get michael bay movies of explosion upon explosions, we get fast and the furious movies with 2 minute long fight scene and gun fights, I can go on and on, but this is where no one bats an eye on. Did we really need a 5 minute long fight with Thor vs Hulk in Ragnorak? Of course not, but people still love it because that's what we're fashion to enjoy.

That's not entirely true either. Sex scenes in Europe do have to have some meaning as well. You're saying that the sex is enough, but that depends on the movie. A movie about a romance, sure it's enough, but even in France you need to have a reason why a character who's on the run from the cops would take the time to go and have sex. Or take Attack on Titan the movie. There's a scene in there where the characters are all hiding from the huge titans and one of the girls hiding with the lead turns to him, says, and I'm paraphrasing here, we need to have sex right now so I can have a kid because I want you to give me a kid, and starts to strip. The Audience was like "What the hell?" because it made no sense for that to happen in that moment. So yes, the sex scene needs to have a meaning to it, or a reason for it being there, or else it distracts from the narrative flow. Just like a bad race car scene, or an erroneous slow motion running away from explosion scenes destroy the flow of a film, a badly placed sex scene will do the same. By the way, yes people do bat an eye for long fight scenes. Unless it's well choreographed, then people don't really care. Fight scenes, when properly used, can become the climax to a journey of two sides of an issue, but if you just have a ton of fights then you're going to bore people that are watching, unless they are fight scene junkies then probably not. It's why a lot of longer fights are starting to be cut and changed.

Hulk vs Thor actually has a lot of meaning behind it. Firstly we get a lot of dialogue in there regarding Hulk, next we have Loki's view on things, Thor dealing with his friend and we see how it's affecting him and Hulk, Thor gaining his connection to lighting, Valkyries reaction to things given her story and of course the Grand Master's reaction and that of the crowd. It has a lot to do with the Themes of the movie, so it's more then just a fight scene. A better example is the fight between batman and Superman. We don't have any weight behind it, there's no long build up, unlike Thor, but that's because Thor and Hulk have had several movies to build that up, Supes and Bats, nada.

So when Thor Ragnorak came out, how many people asked for the action scenes to be reduced, because the action wasn't needed? I would say very few. On the contrary, people was saying it was too funny and could use MORE action. Even though very little of the action is most modern movies are necessary to actually move the story forward. The issue is, this is rarely ever called out unless its done for like 5 movies straight like transformers. But the minute we start seeing sex scenes pop up, that's again, where the magnifying glass comes up.
And again, that just shows where our interest lies, period.

There's a reason why sex scenes tend to have a magnifying glass come up. It is very very hard to write a good one. A fight, you can pull off a moderately good one in just about any movie, a sex scene on the other hand can be done terribly, and the fact is most writers, even good ones, can't write good sex scenes, nor can good directors direct great ones. We don't call it out because of the fact most movies that are driven by action are "Action" movies so we're going in assuming they're full of action. If we go in to a romance, you better damn well believe someone will hop into bed with another person. However, if you were to suddenly throw a large explosion in a romance, it would be scrutinized because this is not what the movie is about, the same happens with an action movie where you throw in a sex scene. What is the point unless it drives that plot, that action forward, same with the romance. Unless that big exploding car is going to make the couple decide to hook up, then there is no point in it being there.

[Darkspellmaster]

Had to cut

No, the plot moving forward doesn't have to be the most important thing. Hence the entire breakdown of character driven story vs plot driven story. Now true, American based stories are normally more plot driven, but the number one goal of every movie isn't focused solely on moving the plot forward, as that would depend upon the importance of the plot to begin with and if that takes a back seat to the character. Secondly, having a sex scene always tells something, it's not meaningless as I mentioned in the above post.

Character driven stories have to move forward on a journey, there is a plot there, it's an internal plot, but it's a plot. Driving your character forward means you're engaging your character in choices, choices that will change them in the long run. Your plot is the characters journey to find those changes. Hence, even in a character story, there has to be a plot, or else you have a piece of what I call "Brain ramblings" where all you have is a character that is doing nothing. Stream of consciousness is great, if you're going for some weird art thing, but it doesn't work over a long story. If your character isn't growing, there is no reason to have it driving anything. Plot and Character need to work in tandem. You can have the best character ever but if you fail to get your readers to read the story then you lost them, same for a plot, best plot ever, but if there is no character then it's ruined. As I pointed out with Deadpool, if the scene is in there for fan service it needs to go.

And you talk about Deadpool and it's sex scene and how it was done right, but was all of those minutes dedicated to all the fighting in deadpool necessary to move the plot forward? Of course not, just most action movies in general. There is very little actual violence needed in movies to actually move the plot forward. But again, we accept it because that's our society and our viewpoint on how we favor violence over sex. We come up with excuses on how the violence can be added to create a point, but more than anything, that violence isn't necessary at all to get to the next stage of the plot, especially to the degree of getting these long action scenes that looks cool to show off cgi graphics. In fact, the entire purpose of a "action film" is to provide violence, which clearly means the actual plot behind the story is secondary to expecting things blowing up. Why? Because that's what we believe is acceptable.

Because Deadpool as per his character is a violent person. He's a mercenary. You could not just have a rambling movie with him because it would confuse the hell out of people. Violence in movies depends on the story. True you don't need violence everywhere in a movie but in the case of some movies it's part of the whole deal, movies like Death Wish certainly have to have it, a movie like Monument Men doesn't. We can also argue that coming up with an excuse to have sex scenes do the same thing. I can point out how having a scene of a guy milking a bull can be used to push a movie, etc. You can use an excuse for any scene in a movie, that does not mean it makes it a good reason to have it though. The idea of Action has been around for longer then movies, the only difference is that we have pretty effects now vs. back in the days of Shakespeare they had to use pratical. You think that he was thinking of the drama from Titus Andronicus? Hell no, the whole point was, how much blood, gore and freaky things he could put in there for the audience.

[Darkspellmaster]

Um, you proved my point. No where did I state rated T is Grand Theft Auto, I stated it's filled with violence, meaning violence is a component of that game. Your above topic just proved my point. Which means, it's perfectly fine for a teen to play someone punching someone in the face (tekken), to shoot someone (uncharted) But it's not fine for that teen to see nudity, and it's definitely not fine for that teen to play with a character having sex. Which again, proves my point about our society tailoring towards violence of sexuality.

Because, again, Tekken is a fighting game, the point is to do martial arts. Uncharted, you don't have to shoot one single person, at all. Hell you can play all though Metal Gear without killing one person, and, guess what, if you do that, you get to have the easiest time with one of the hardest bosses because you don't have to worry about being hit by the ghost of the dead. Teens can see nudity, its in a lot of games, though mild, and the reason why the sex issue is there is because people can't write a good sex scene worth anything. Look at the whole thing with Fifty Shades of gray! I mean do you really want a writer that has no idea how to write a good scene writing a sex scene? You're saying that we're tailored toward violence of sexuality, but the only way you fix that isn't just throwing in random sex scenes, it's really more along the lines of curing the issue of how people perceive not sex, but peoples worth and really their line in the sand as it were.

As you stated, it depends upon the country. More conservatively sexual countries? Yes, more liberal sexual countries, Not true. With that said, GTA is rated M. Meaning, it's "supposedly" not meant for children. So an adult, who can go around committing every single crime in the world, still can't see breast or sexual acts at it's full frontal form? Yeah, again, pinpoints to our values. And it doesn't matter that the game "awards" you for doing "non petty crimes." It's the fact that the game is based around committing crimes to begin with, and it allows you to do all type of heinous crimes, but when it comes to having sex, it runs away. So if people don't want to see a random crotch area, don't do the sex scene. But just like the crimes, which are WAY worse than actually having sex, that option should be in there and the fact that it's not just shows again where our values lie.

And again, why would you need to have it in the game? Look at how Yakuza 0 handles the idea of Sex in the game. It's not used for titillation, and hell, you have a game where if you collect all the porn cards you get greeted by this creepy guy that kind of reminds the player, this is what you are right now. You're saying, you can go around committing all these crimes, but all your actions have consequences. Every last crime you pull in GTA ends up with the cops after you. You're a wanted person. Why should I need to see my character having sex though? Why? Unless it ads to the game play in some way, it's not worth the time to animate. Also you do realize the whole point of GTA is that it's a satire and joke on how the Brits see American crime movies, like the Godfather and the like. You want a more serious story, Red Dead Redemption, or Mafia. They take the violence in a more serious way. I again, will mention there are various games that give you the option of not doing any actions in the game that are crimes. Or, as I said before, See Undertale.

[Darkspellmaster]

And this is where we disagree, I don't believe it has to be important to the plot in order to be present, because the act of sex usually says something about the character who's having the sexual acts. With that said, no one denies the act of having sex is a mature choice. But that doesn't exclude the fact that we try to push sex to the outskirts of society and hide it from view, preventing it from having the normalcy it deserves. As for writing an actual sex scene, if you can't expect a person to find a reason why someone should do a split kick in mid air to knock out someone besides it "looks cool." do you really expect someone to get that in depth about the feeling of having sex? C'mon now.

Eh...

Hence my point where I discuss how liberal sexual based countries tend to do better than their conservative based counterparts.

And you can say period all you like, it still doesn't change the fact that I completely disagree with your logic and restriction on how and why a sex scene should be included into a movie.

Here's the thing, we use visual short hand in movies to tell things about a character. Or to give an impact in a moment. A fight scene can be designed to be like a dance. See many of the wirefu movies that have come out of China for example. On the other hand you really can't do the same thing with sex because of what it is. Sure the foreplay you can do a lot with, and certainly some moments of the action in the experience, but the straight up act itself is less interesting and harder to use. Thus why you have various shots being used to frame moments. I don't think we push it to the outskirts so much as we used to, its more about using it in a way that makes it something that is desirable to have. Eh...the split kick doesn't work here because of visual art and the use of motion. It's a highly subjective aspect of it.

Again it depends. As I pointed out the situation with France and the issues of assault coming out, and Italy has the same sort of issues. And that's fine if you disagree, it's your opinion and I have mine.

And please tell me where I said France did not have any problems with sexual abuse at all? I stated they aren't in the league of US and Sweden, which has the worst among the world (America being the worse.). But if you want studies, wikipedia shows below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

What is essentially happening is across many countries around the world, people who use to be afraid about reporting the actions are getting more courage to speak out about it, and that's a good thing because it's highlighting to the world how big of a problem it is. Though the courage is happening in more western based countries.

So you're going to say that pretty much the fact that all these women are coming out now saying "Yeah we have a problem" isn't a big deal. You mentioned that it isn't in league with the US and Sweden, and the implication to me there was that "Hey because it's a pretty open place it doesn't have issues with the whole assault thing." that's where I got that from. Maybe it was my interpretation of your writing, I apologize if that wasn't what you were inferring there.

But these are only the ones that have been reported, and there is the issue. And yes I agree it's a good thing for people to be coming out about this, more absolutely needs to be done. Well in the East it's a lot of culture and issues of dominance and feudal stuff and there are tons of stories one can tell.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

This is a good debate. Very enjoyable read.

[El_Gato]

Apparently Cyborg is also cancelled, so that's two minority books gone, Blue Beetle being the other, and replaced (with Sideways and Silencer).

[Smoov-E]

Apparently Cyborg is also cancelled, so that's two minority books gone, Blue Beetle being the other, and replaced (with Sideways and Silencer).

Anyone really shocked by Cyborg’s cancellation?

[El_Gato]

Anyone really shocked by Cyborg’s cancellation?

Nope. What's shocking is that they didn't announce the books cancellation. Apparently it ends in January, hence no February solicts.

[leo619]

Regarding France: And Sweden:

15 there is considered our 17. Claiming that they see nudity on Billboards is way off. Like here in the states body parts are covered and certain ads are run later at night, you know, like here. So where is this coming from. France is not the bastion of being perfectly okay with sex and nudity. There are times and places for it, but not all places have it. France has a very different culture, but at the same time there is stuff there that even now their view points are changing due to acts and feelings. A lot of changes are being made due to Chinese tourists in major cities. And given their own Conservative view points on religion, race, and other political things that we are more vocal about, yeah there is a difference, but people rightly point out that France also has a habit of expecting other countries to behave as they have too, and it's no different. Check out Andorra for example.

Incorrect, not only are there nudity on billboards in not just france but many countries in Europe, there's shows on regular television that displays full frontal nudity on a regular show at 4:00 PM. Unfortunately I am not sure how the forum takes to posting links here that contains nudity. But a google search would be more than willing to show you the billboards that have nudity. With that said, I never said their cultural viewpoint will always remain the same. But there has been very little to any evidence of france becoming more conservative in sexuality.

With that said, I never said that we expect other countries to behave like we do, even though of course we do as well as france. I stated that we attempt to believe that most countries share our believes as if our believes are universal, such as our conservative viewpoint on sexuality which definitely isn't the case. Just because we have a problem showing female nipples doesn't mean france does.

Because, again, sex is not an every day routine. You don't go home and have sex every night (well maybe you personally do, but others don't) so the act of sex itself, while it's not a shocking and amazing thing, it does have weight because, unless you are with the same partner night after night, the actions you take can make an impact. Choices matter and that's something that even in other countries they get as well. STDs, pregnant, and other situations come from the act, and we as a society are actually trying to educate ourselves in keeping ourselves healthy about it. So while it's normal in the strictest sense, it's not an every day thing you do. You brush your hair, you poop, you eat, sex is a mating ritual that you do when you are in heat, or feel that a partner is in heat, so you go after that person.

I never said that having sex was a daily routine, I said that it was a normal routine. To put it another way, a person is much more likely to have sex in their life than they are to shoot 15 mafia guys in the face for killing their wife. And that's where I disagree with the magnifying glass on sex scenes when violence is given much more of a hall pass.

That's not entirely true either. Sex scenes in Europe do have to have some meaning as well. You're saying that the sex is enough, but that depends on the movie. A movie about a romance, sure it's enough, but even in France you need to have a reason why a character who's on the run from the cops would take the time to go and have sex. Or take Attack on Titan the movie. There's a scene in there where the characters are all hiding from the huge titans and one of the girls hiding with the lead turns to him, says, and I'm paraphrasing here, we need to have sex right now so I can have a kid because I want you to give me a kid, and starts to strip. The Audience was like "What the hell?" because it made no sense for that to happen in that moment. So yes, the sex scene needs to have a meaning to it, or a reason for it being there, or else it distracts from the narrative flow. Just like a bad race car scene, or an erroneous slow motion running away from explosion scenes destroy the flow of a film, a badly placed sex scene will do the same. By the way, yes people do bat an eye for long fight scenes. Unless it's well choreographed, then people don't really care. Fight scenes, when properly used, can become the climax to a journey of two sides of an issue, but if you just have a ton of fights then you're going to bore people that are watching, unless they are fight scene junkies then probably not. It's why a lot of longer fights are starting to be cut and changed.

And as I mentioned earlier, there will always be a reason why someone wants to have sex. The question lies to, is that reason suitable to the person watching the show. For example, even the Attack On Titan movie, there's a specific reason why the person wanted to have sex. Now that doesn't mean the person she wanted to have sex with has to have sex back, it depends upon their logic, way of thinking, and etc. but the "what the hell" moment just points to the idea of focusing more on the fact that they are being chased by something, and not attempting to analyze the psyche of why she wanted to have sex to begin with. Once again, plot over character thinking.

As for a well choreograph fight scene being used to bring a climax to a movie, that's not true, that's just acceptable because that is what's acceptable in our society. This is exactly shown in countries where the opposite viewpoint happens, you don't see much violence. Because for them, it's not acceptable. For us, because of the fact that we are interested in violence and are more inclined to violence, we are more moved to violence being used as a way of tension. That's our psyche, but that's because we cater more towards violence than sex. But once again, it's not necessary. We just accept it as a default, but that's "our" default", not a universal default.

Hulk vs Thor actually has a lot of meaning behind it. Firstly we get a lot of dialogue in there regarding Hulk, next we have Loki's view on things, Thor dealing with his friend and we see how it's affecting him and Hulk, Thor gaining his connection to lighting, Valkyries reaction to things given her story and of course the Grand Master's reaction and that of the crowd. It has a lot to do with the Themes of the movie, so it's more then just a fight scene. A better example is the fight between batman and Superman. We don't have any weight behind it, there's no long build up, unlike Thor, but that's because Thor and Hulk have had several movies to build that up, Supes and Bats, nada.

And none of those scenes were vitally required to have 10 minutes of fighting to go along with it. We can have all of those scenes available with 2-3. But because we as a society need violence to be inserted to give it more weight, plus all the cool special effects and people wanting to see hulk and thor fight, is why we got what we got. But those scenes you mention and the actual violence in those scenes are two separate occasions, they aren't integrated.

There's a reason why sex scenes tend to have a magnifying glass come up. It is very very hard to write a good one. A fight, you can pull off a moderately good one in just about any movie, a sex scene on the other hand can be done terribly, and the fact is most writers, even good ones, can't write good sex scenes, nor can good directors direct great ones. We don't call it out because of the fact most movies that are driven by action are "Action" movies so we're going in assuming they're full of action. If we go in to a romance, you better damn well believe someone will hop into bed with another person. However, if you were to suddenly throw a large explosion in a romance, it would be scrutinized because this is not what the movie is about, the same happens with an action movie where you throw in a sex scene. What is the point unless it drives that plot, that action forward, same with the romance. Unless that big exploding car is going to make the couple decide to hook up, then there is no point in it being there.

Completely disagree, it's placed upon a magnifying glass because what's "considered" good for a sex scene is leagues higher than what's considered good for a fight scene, and again that points to the American psyche. And the bar for qualifying a sex scene is leagues higher than the bar for inserting a violence based scene. Ultimately, we lean towards violence, so we allow tons of action movies with tons of fighting because that's what our society values. But because sex is still so taboo and icky and distant, the sex scene needs to be a academy award winning scene in order for it to be valuable to many people eyes.

[leo619]

Character driven stories have to move forward on a journey, there is a plot there, it's an internal plot, but it's a plot. Driving your character forward means you're engaging your character in choices, choices that will change them in the long run. Your plot is the characters journey to find those changes. Hence, even in a character story, there has to be a plot, or else you have a piece of what I call "Brain ramblings" where all you have is a character that is doing nothing. Stream of consciousness is great, if you're going for some weird art thing, but it doesn't work over a long story. If your character isn't growing, there is no reason to have it driving anything. Plot and Character need to work in tandem. You can have the best character ever but if you fail to get your readers to read the story then you lost them, same for a plot, best plot ever, but if there is no character then it's ruined. As I pointed out with Deadpool, if the scene is in there for fan service it needs to go.

Oh I'm not saying that a character driven story doesn't have a plot, I'm saying it's not the primary focus of the story. So a character driven story as you stated, will make choices, and from those choices he will either stay the same or change into something else. But the focus is still on a character. So if a character decides to have sex, character driven is about what does them having sex means. Is it leaning to a romantic relationship? Does he like casual sex? Does have have an addiction to sex. A character having sex for that case will always have a reason why the character will have sex, and it's expands about the character.

Because Deadpool as per his character is a violent person. He's a mercenary. You could not just have a rambling movie with him because it would confuse the hell out of people. Violence in movies depends on the story. True you don't need violence everywhere in a movie but in the case of some movies it's part of the whole deal, movies like Death Wish certainly have to have it, a movie like Monument Men doesn't. We can also argue that coming up with an excuse to have sex scenes do the same thing. I can point out how having a scene of a guy milking a bull can be used to push a movie, etc. You can use an excuse for any scene in a movie, that does not mean it makes it a good reason to have it though. The idea of Action has been around for longer then movies, the only difference is that we have pretty effects now vs. back in the days of Shakespeare they had to use pratical. You think that he was thinking of the drama from Titus Andronicus? Hell no, the whole point was, how much blood, gore and freaky things he could put in there for the audience.

A mercenary doesn't mean he has to be tons of violence. If we're using 10-15 minute fight scenes to show how violence he is, it's clearly unnecessary, because one scene of him taking out someone in a violent way will illustrate the fact that he's violent. You don't need 50 minutes of fight scenes to prove that point home, and so that's the point. We are accepting the fact that violence should be heavily inserted because again, that's what we lean to. So yes, everyone can make any reason on why a scene should be in a movie, just like what's considered a "good reason" will be different from person to person. But my point is, and will always be, the rebuking of magnifying glass on sex scene when violence run rampant in our movies, especially with our society's cultural viewpoint of heavily leaning towards violence to begin with.

[leo619]

Because, again, Tekken is a fighting game, the point is to do martial arts. Uncharted, you don't have to shoot one single person, at all. Hell you can play all though Metal Gear without killing one person, and, guess what, if you do that, you get to have the easiest time with one of the hardest bosses because you don't have to worry about being hit by the ghost of the dead. Teens can see nudity, its in a lot of games, though mild, and the reason why the sex issue is there is because people can't write a good sex scene worth anything. Look at the whole thing with Fifty Shades of gray! I mean do you really want a writer that has no idea how to write a good scene writing a sex scene? You're saying that we're tailored toward violence of sexuality, but the only way you fix that isn't just throwing in random sex scenes, it's really more along the lines of curing the issue of how people perceive not sex, but peoples worth and really their line in the sand as it were.

And once again we're at odds, you state look at fifty shades of gray. You do know the reason why it was made into a movie was because it was among the most popular books of that time? And that even though the standard audience crucified it (which we all know why.) Many of those who read the book loved the movie as well. Not only that, but the amount it brought in certain european countries was higher than even it's American counterpart, hmm...I wonder why.

That's not to say I find the movie a great movie, I've never watched it. But the fact that the movie was a better success story in more liberal sexual based countries is pretty telling over the actual "quality" of the writing of the sex scenes.

And again, why would you need to have it in the game? Look at how Yakuza 0 handles the idea of Sex in the game. It's not used for titillation, and hell, you have a game where if you collect all the porn cards you get greeted by this creepy guy that kind of reminds the player, this is what you are right now. You're saying, you can go around committing all these crimes, but all your actions have consequences. Every last crime you pull in GTA ends up with the cops after you. You're a wanted person. Why should I need to see my character having sex though? Why? Unless it ads to the game play in some way, it's not worth the time to animate. Also you do realize the whole point of GTA is that it's a satire and joke on how the Brits see American crime movies, like the Godfather and the like. You want a more serious story, Red Dead Redemption, or Mafia. They take the violence in a more serious way. I again, will mention there are various games that give you the option of not doing any actions in the game that are crimes. Or, as I said before, See Undertale.

Why? Because it's normal. What's not normal? Running over people with a train. Shooting civilians with a machine gun, stealing money to become rich. That's not normal, and yet having sex is what's being asked why we need to have it in the game? Not the fact that we have arguably the most violent game in history that has "consequences", but the fact that sex, which is arguably the only crime free based action in the game needs to be added to it. In the end, as mention before, it just points to our priorities.

[leo619]

Here's the thing, we use visual short hand in movies to tell things about a character. Or to give an impact in a moment. A fight scene can be designed to be like a dance. See many of the wirefu movies that have come out of China for example. On the other hand you really can't do the same thing with sex because of what it is. Sure the foreplay you can do a lot with, and certainly some moments of the action in the experience, but the straight up act itself is less interesting and harder to use. Thus why you have various shots being used to frame moments. I don't think we push it to the outskirts so much as we used to, its more about using it in a way that makes it something that is desirable to have. Eh...the split kick doesn't work here because of visual art and the use of motion. It's a highly subjective aspect of it.

Again it depends. As I pointed out the situation with France and the issues of assault coming out, and Italy has the same sort of issues. And that's fine if you disagree, it's your opinion and I have mine.

And exactly why do we view fight scene as a dance? Everything you're pointing to, regarding the artistic representation as well as interpretation of the fight scene, is based on our natural inclination and view of violence the way we do. The same applies to your interpretation on the limitation that sex scenes can be performed. Because I definitely don't believe the straight up act of sex is in any way shape or form "less interesting." And exploring European films clearly show there's tons of ways you can display the acts of sex. Again, it all points down to the values of that cultural viewpoint. If you're more inclined to violence, as many americans are due to our cultural upbringing, than the wide range and acceptance of violence is more acceptable because it more closely align with the way we view the world.

So you're going to say that pretty much the fact that all these women are coming out now saying "Yeah we have a problem" isn't a big deal. You mentioned that it isn't in league with the US and Sweden, and the implication to me there was that "Hey because it's a pretty open place it doesn't have issues with the whole assault thing." that's where I got that from. Maybe it was my interpretation of your writing, I apologize if that wasn't what you were inferring there.

But these are only the ones that have been reported, and there is the issue. And yes I agree it's a good thing for people to be coming out about this, more absolutely needs to be done. Well in the East it's a lot of culture and issues of dominance and feudal stuff and there are tons of stories one can tell.

Well that's definitely your interpretation, because no where did I say anything about not being a big deal. My statement, as mentioned before, is that France isn't on the same level as America and Sweden in regards to sexual assault, and that's based on reported numbers. Even as numbers continue to go higher, which it will, the US and Sweden has the worst problems in the world in regards the sexual assault.
That doesn't mean it's not important for it to be resolved, because it needs to, it's just not on the same level.

[leo619]

Anyone really shocked by Cyborg’s cancellation?

So it's was as I fear, it's not that DC is adding to their minority count, they are just replacing them. DC just can't get things right.