Minorities In Comics and Related Media

[Overhazard]

Well, it is on Disney's teen channel...

The same channel that gave us Pretty Little Liars and The Fosters. Those shows had teenagers doing a lot of stupid things. Unfathomable levels of stupid.

[Surf]

I guess I missed the fireworks. Did Amazing Spiderfan go on a racist rant or something?

There was some emotion, more like a tantrum though. In the middle of the juice isle. And a bar graph lol so...

[skyvolt2000]

The whole "rich white folks" and "black men from the projects" have been used in the media so money times, it's pretty much a stereotype. Hell, half of the movies on netflix involving a mostly black cast usually is around this perspective. So to have a tv show that decides to flip it is new, and it finally reflects the time that black people can be rich, and white people can be poor. And yet even with those changes, there's still things that comes to race that transcends past money.

It makes MONEY. That is the issue. Those can get funded and green lighted faster. And some end up winning awards to gaining attention.

And when you get a film that doesn't-you have hunt for the film because no one will promote it. Or it takes one of the leads doing something big-like John Boyea's movie with Glenn Plummer. I heard about it but you couldn't find it until some movie called Star Wars TDA popped up.

The white girl can be poor all she likes but she will be written well enough for you cheer for her as Lifetime movies have shown us.

Or the poor white family be shown in a way to make them like the normal family you have in your community no matter the race-hello Al Bundy and family.

I think any message will be delivered in the most "Afterschool Special/80s Degrassi" way possible.

And THAT is putting it in a nice way.

I think they will go OVERBOARD with it.

[leo619]

The same channel that gave us Pretty Little Liars and The Fosters. Those shows had teenagers doing a lot of stupid things. Unfathomable levels of stupid.

LMAO, bruh, I still watch the fosters, partially because I think their portrayal of teens is pretty realistic and it will help with my writing, but boy do they do some stupid things lol. And all the time I try to figure out, like is it because they're teenagers and they don't know any better? Or are they really just that stupid lol.

[Overhazard]

LMAO, bruh, I still watch the fosters, partially because I think their portrayal of teens is pretty realistic and it will help with my writing, but boy do they do some stupid things lol. And all the time I try to figure out, like is it because they're teenagers and they don't know any better? Or are they really just that stupid lol.

Brandon and Callie are horrible people who pretend to be noble, they've done nothing but wreak havok in the lives of their loved ones, they get called out a lot so that makes it a little better.

[Osiris-Rex]

It makes MONEY. That is the issue. Those can get funded and green lighted faster. And some end up winning awards to gaining attention.

And when you get a film that doesn't-you have hunt for the film because no one will promote it. Or it takes one of the leads doing something big-like John Boyea's movie with Glenn Plummer. I heard about it but you couldn't find it until some movie called Star Wars TDA popped up.

The white girl can be poor all she likes but she will be written well enough for you cheer for her as Lifetime movies have shown us.

Or the poor white family be shown in a way to make them like the normal family you have in your community no matter the race-hello Al Bundy and family.

And Roseanne pretty much wrote the book on the idea of a successful TV series based on a poor white family. It was so successful they are bringing it back to TV.

[Osiris-Rex]

Barry's Wife and Father-in-Law/Foster-Dad have to keep telling Barry how wonderful he is so we, the viewers, won't notice Barry Allen literally failing to follow even simple instructions and the dictates of common sense every single episode.

Season one Candace Patton was put on a pedestal and Jesse Martin used to have more to do but when the show runners decided that STAR Labs had to be the center of the universe because sets are expensive so showing any place that isn't Star Labs is a no-no.

I don't think that is the reason. Supergirl has a lot of sets. The DEO, CatCo, the Alien Bar, Kara's apartment, Alex's apartment. Lena's office. Edge's office. Sam's house. Even sets that only get used a few times like Roulette's fight club, the Hochean frigate, Cadmus, the Daxamite command ship. Unless the CW spends all its money on Supergirl and has none left over for Flash.

[Agent Z]

Michael B. Jordan promises to adopt an inclusion rider on all his future production projects

https://www.avclub.com/michael-b-jor...der-1823602125

[Vic Vega]

I don't think that is the reason. Supergirl has a lot of sets. The DEO, CatCo, the Alien Bar, Kara's apartment, Alex's apartment. Lena's office. Edge's office. Sam's house. Even sets that only get used a few times like Roulette's fight club, the Hochean frigate, Cadmus, the Daxamite command ship. Unless the CW spends all its money on Supergirl and has none left over for Flash.

They just might.

That and Arrow and whatever is left goes to Flash.

You barely see Jitters the coffee shop and you just plain don't see Iris newspaper work site anymore. They give Barry one new co-worker every other season then get rid of them quickly (who exactly is in Central City's Anti-Meta task force besides Barry and his foster Dad?).

Either they are just cheap or somehow they are even worse than the writers for Arrow who at least are good about giving the entire cast stuff to do (Speedy after season 3 being the notable exception here).

[leo619]

Michael B. Jordan promises to adopt an inclusion rider on all his future production projects

https://www.avclub.com/michael-b-jor...der-1823602125

Hmm, I've been wondering about this. So hypothetically, say my comic book company becomes huge reaches to the point to where I have a lot of workers.
If I desire to hire based on a combination of best qualifications AND diversity sake, could I get sued. Meaning, If I purposely wanted to have like an even distribution of
representation (to the granular level of hiring into percentages), is that illegal? I know that things like hollywood and porn gets a pass due to specific reasoning. But I wasn't sure how far that applies too.

[aja_christopher]

And Roseanne pretty much wrote the book on the idea of a successful TV series based on a poor white family. It was so successful they are bringing it back to TV.

Never was big on Roseanne but I did like like how all of Hal's friends on Malcolm in the Middle were black.

That episode where they hung out with the racist Grandma was classic.

[skyvolt2000]

And Roseanne pretty much wrote the book on the idea of a successful TV series based on a poor white family. It was so successful they are bringing it back to TV.

Yeah I can see that.

The Bundys showed one side and Roseanne was the another part and Malcolm in the Middle was another part.


Funny thing about Roseanne & Bundys-POC worked on both shows. So you ended up with shows that did PEOPLE first than everything else.

Most of Roseanne's writers did Cosby Show & A Different World.

One of MWC's creator was black and at least 3 of the writers were black (who went on to do almost every single black show on WB/UPN/Fox and TNBC shows).

[4sake Baned]

It's actually a terrible idea. In the comics Tandy is about as privileged as it gets. She's a blonde haired, blue-eyed white woman from the upper class. It's pretty hard to get more privileged than that -- having grown up white, upper class, and having several blonde-haired, blue-eyed sisters, I'd argue that upper class white women are even more privileged than upper class white men, since upper class white women tend to have their own money and, unlike upper class white males, are not expected to work. Like ever. At all. All three of my sisters treated their careers like hobbies, and abandoned those careers once they had kids because being a mommy was more fun (especially since they can afford nannies to do the unfun stuff like changing diapers). And my brothers-in-law are all expected to support them, they all feel entitled to being supported. They live lives of pure luxury from cradle to grave.

Meanwhile, Tyrone is about as unprivileged as it gets. Poor, black and male? That's about as bad as it gets in America. At least if you're poor, black and female you can probably get welfare, and are like 1000 times less likely to die or end up in prison. I mean if you look at law enforcement statistics, blacks are 3 times more likely to be stopped and frisked by cops, resulting in higher arrests rates, higher incarceration rates, etc. But what often goes unmentioned is that a man is 12 times more likely to be stopped and frisked than a woman. The entire law enforcement system in America is basically designed to keep black men down.

When you swap their backgrounds, you bring them much, much closer to being equally privileged. Tandy may be a poor, but she's white, female and attractive, which means she's a very low priority for police harassment and has a very good chance of making it out of poverty. Tyrone may be black, but he's male and upper-class, which insulates (if not immunizes) him from the worst effects of racism.

Basically Cloak and Dagger has already neutered its ability to speak meaningfully about privilege before the show has even started, which is a shame, because one thing the comic did very well was...talk about privilege. But this Tandy can't really dress down this Tyrone for his privilege when he can just shut her down with "What do you know about oppression, white girl?" And it's not like Tyrone can dress down Tandy for her privilege, because she's poor and he's rich, and she can just shut him down with accusations of class privilege.

And with their backgrounds switched, they are still opposites, the core concept has not been undermined at all. We don't know how their personal relationship is going to be portrayed until the show airs. But if Cloak is no longer the stuttering black kid who can't express his love for the pretty blonde girl, I'm not seeing that as a great loss.

The waters aren't muddied at all. I'm pretty successful, especially for the area I live (which is largerly blue collar with a white population of about 94%); however, occasionally I go to local dive bars because they are the only places that have routine karaoke nights.

The amount of damage some drunk ###hole can do by lobbing a n####r at you isn't negated just because he's smells like he just got off the line at the Purina plant and your casual shoes would probably wipe out half his paycheck. It's easy to say words should be dismissed, but it's far less easy to do it in practice. Especially if you are in an uncertain and potentially hostile environment.

So black people, especially successful black people, have a constant calculus to juggle. By every single measurable metric I'm likely better than this guy, but he's used a word that psychologically has the power to negate that. It literally means, "you're success means nothing, and I, much like my ancestors, should own you". If this guy attacks me, it's just another charge on his record. He goes back to his likely crumby life.

If I attack him, my career implodes, my success is for nothing. Additionally, if he attacks and I defend myself, there is no guarantee I still am not labelled the aggressor, and the result is the same.

Further, I've mentioned this in the past on this thread as well. When I was in college at Iowa State, before transferring to Iowa, a white woman reported that she was kidnapped from the front of the ISU administrative building by four 6' black men. This was during the week of finals. Ultimately it was discovered that she made the entire thing up. On its face it was a stupid story.

But, what do you think the police did? Did they say, "There is no way someone was kidnapped at 11:30am from the center of campus by four people", or do you think they pulled random black men out of classes or visited their dorm rooms to look for leads?

Based on those pretty loaded questions I'm betting you can guess which scenario happened.

I guess the overall point of those two anecdotes is that money and success are pretty ####y insulators from racism and the power of presumption.

In regards to Cloak & Dagger, and the social class class switcheroo....

One stereotype about interracial relationships is that some successful black men, in never ending pursuit of white women, will overlook black women of equal or lower social class, in favor of white women of lower social class.

It would be interesting if that gets addressed in the show.

Great points.....

[Agent Z]

Terry Crews' Sexual Assault Complaint Against Adam Venit Rejected by L.A. City Attorney

https://jezebel.com/terry-crews-sexu...nit-1823598893

[aja_christopher]

Black Panther breaks a billion in under a month -- just one more nail in the coffin for the lie that "diversity" doesn't sell.

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"Ryan Coogler's superhero pic has crossed the $1 billion mark at the global box office, becoming the 33rd film to join the elite club and the 16th Disney title to do so, not adjusted for inflation. The movie achieved the milestone on Saturday, its 26th day in release.

Black Panther is the 7th superhero film to bound past $1 billion in worldwide ticket sales, including the 5th title in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. In North America, its standing is even more impressive. By the end of the weekend, Black Panther will rank as the No. 2 superhero film of all time behind Marvel's The Avengers after passing up The Dark Knight ($535 million) on Saturday.

Overseas, Black Panther will jump the $500 million mark over the weekend after opening in its final foreign, market China, where it's off to an impressive start for a debut north of $60 million.

Black Panther, which cost $200 million to make before marketing, was a bold move on the part of Disney and Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige.

The film — unprecedented in being a big-budget studio tentpole featuring a virtually all-black cast — stars Chadwick Boseman stars as T'Challa/Black Panther alongside Lupita Nyong'o, Michael B. Jordan, Danai Gurira, Daniel Kaluuya, Letitia Wright, Winston Duke, Angela Bassett, Forest Whitaker and Andy Serkis."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...r-club-1093586