Cassandra Cain (Batgirl, Black Bat) Appreciation

[Carabas]

The ones that came out of nowhere also went nowhere wheras Cain was forced upon everyone's backstory. As Aahz mentioned Kirigi, Ducard, Tsuenemoto(however that is spelled) were actually fleshed.

The only one I ever even heard of is Ducard. I mean, I know about a Kirigi, but he's a Daredevil character.
Anway, what exactly is wrong about creating a new character?

He created Shiva in the Post Crisis universe.

He definitely did not.

Um what? he doesn't love Cass at all.

Oh, you read that Beechen crap, didn't you? It's bad for you and bears no resemblance to canon.

[Carabas]

They established quite early that Cain trained Bruce, and used that as explanation that Bruce knew why Cass was like she was.

Yes, and?
Cain was always going to be Cass's father. It's why he's in the story and why he gets added to the (very, very long) list of Batman trainers.

[Agent Z]

Deathstroke is everything Cain wishes he could be.

A hypocritical, petty creep who's also a rapist and has to mind control his own kids into loyalty?

[darkseidpwns]

A hypocritical, petty creep who's also a rapist and has to mind control his own kids into loyalty?

Yeah Cain wishes he could do that, he's tried it all. Brainwashed kids, rape, murder, you name it.

[Carabas]

Yeah Cain wishes he could do that, he's tried it all. Brainwashed kids, rape, murder, you name it.

Rapist too? Since when?
The rest of it pretty much is part and parcel of the whole League Of Assassins trainer thing.

Anyway, when has Cain ever shown envy of metas?

[Agent Z]

Yeah Cain wishes he could do that, he's tried it all. Brainwashed kids, rape, murder, you name it.

Yeah, um, no. Just no, dude.

[Assam]

The only one I ever even heard of is Ducard. I mean, I know about a Kirigi, but he's a Daredevil character.
Anway, what exactly is wrong about creating a new character?

He definitely did not.

Oh, you read that Beechen crap, didn't you? It's bad for you and bears no resemblance to canon.

I'm sure he's a good guy in real life, but I really hope that he wakes up every morning stepping on a lego.
And yeah, as shown consistently throughout Cass's original book, in his own twisted way, Cain really does love Cass, and would do anything for her.

You mentioned not knowing about Cain in the New52. Yeah, they screwed him up pretty badly. He barely cared about Cass, if at all, and his loyalty was completely towards a villain named Mother.

[Aahz]

Rapist too? Since when?

Don't know if you could call it rape, but his relation with Shiva and the circumstances of Cass birth seem a little bit wired for me (and who knows how old Shiva was back than ...).

And he apparently abducted lots of kids to train the in a similar way than Cass.

[Assam]

Don't know if you could call it rape, but his relation with Shiva and the circumstances of Cass birth seem a little bit wired for me (and who knows how old Shiva was back than ...).

And he apparently abducted lots of kids to train the in a similar way than Cass.

Cain and Shiva's relationship seemed to be completely consensual.

And he NEVER raped the kids he trained. If anyone even thought about laying a hand on Cass for example, well, Cass could handle herself just fine, but if she couldn't, Cain would murder them in the most painful way imaginable.

[Carabas]

Don't know if you could call it rape, but his relation with Shiva and the circumstances of Cass birth seem a little bit wired for me (and who knows how old Shiva was back than ...).

Well, there's nothing in the books that even vaguely hints at it, so rape probbaly is not the word you're looking for here.

And he apparently abducted lots of kids to train the in a similar way than Cass.

Which most definitely is not rape either.

[Zainu]

This might sound weird but seeing Cass' apartment made me very happy...



... because it reminded me of her messy houses from her Batgirl series

I love that touch too. Though I gotta wonder, what's that cat carrier for? Did she adopt a stray? Ahhh, now I want to see Cass with a kitty

[Assam]

I love that touch too. Though I gotta wonder, what's that cat carrier for? Did she adopt a stray? Ahhh, now I want to see Cass with a kitty

It's no kitty, but there is an adorable fanfiction where Cass, Steph, and Harper adopt a stray dog, and Cass insists on naming it Batman.

[Caivu]

I love that touch too. Though I gotta wonder, what's that cat carrier for? Did she adopt a stray? Ahhh, now I want to see Cass with a kitty

I read a post elsewhere that puts forth the idea that Cass collects these items because she sees other people with them, even though she probably doesn't have any idea what they're actually for. It's a way for her to try to fit in, at least according to the theory.

[millernumber1]

Well, there's nothing in the books that even vaguely hints at it, so rape probbaly is not the word you're looking for here.

Which most definitely is not rape either.

Not rape, but really unhealthy. Which usually happens when you murder someone's sister to make them into a suitable mother for your murderchild.

[Carabas]

Not rape, but really unhealthy. Which usually happens when you murder someone's sister to make them into a suitable mother for your murderchild.

Killing her sister did not cause her DNA to change. If she was a suitable mother after than she already was one before. And she wouldn't become Lady Shiva until years later.