Leo Quintum and Lex Luthor vs Tony Stark and the Mandarin

[Shai-Hulud]

Leo Quintum and Lex Luthor from All-Star Superman vs Tony Stark and the Mandarin from mainstream Marvel continuity.

This is a prep war.

Both parties get twenty-four hours of prep.

[MichaelC]

That universe's Lex doeesn't have many feats, and Leo even fewer. Are we spotting Lex the materials needed to create the Superman-juice?

[Shai-Hulud]

That universe's Lex doeesn't have many feats, and Leo even fewer. Are we spotting Lex the materials needed to create the Superman-juice?

Well, for prep to be meaningful, both Quintum and Luthor would have to have access to their labs, so yes.

Now, if Stark and Mandarin know about (or can anticipate) the super-juice, they could devise a countermeasure, like red sun beams. So what constitutes basic knowledge could be a key point here. Is it basic knowlege that All-Star Luthor knows how to make the super-juice?

I'd tilt towards yes, but that's only a guess on account of that it is one of his main feats and Lex and wasn't exactly shy about it, was he? Flying around in the open announcing something to all of Metropolis kind of ruins a secret, I'd say.

As for Quintum's feats, he has some impressive ones, but as a generally benevolent guy, he doesn't go out of his way to hurt people with his stuff. Which isn't a problem in Rumbles, since, at the very least, Luthor could easily weaponize any of his discoveries.

[Howard Allan]

Well, for prep to be meaningful, both Quintum and Luthor would have to have access to their labs, so yes.

Now, if Stark and Mandarin know about (or can anticipate) the super-juice, they could devise a countermeasure, like red sun beams. So what constitutes basic knowledge could be a key point here. Is it basic knowlege that All-Star Luthor knows how to make the super-juice?

I'd tilt towards yes, but that's only a guess on account of that it is one of his main feats and Lex and wasn't exactly shy about it, was he? Flying around in the open announcing something to all of Metropolis kind of ruins a secret, I'd say.

As for Quintum's feats, he has some impressive ones, but as a generally benevolent guy, he doesn't go out of his way to hurt people with his stuff. Which isn't a problem in Rumbles, since, at the very least, Luthor could easily weaponize any of his discoveries.

You have a problem. People on SuperJuice aren't vulnerable to stuff that stops Supes. They don't lose their powers under Red Sunlight, they aren't affected by Kryptonite. So if they power up, how do you think they are stopped?

[Shai-Hulud]

You have a problem....

Why do I have a problem? The problem is Tony's and the Mandarin's.

People on SuperJuice aren't vulnerable to stuff that stops Supes. They don't lose their powers under Red Sunlight, they aren't affected by Kryptonite. So if they power up, how do you think they are stopped?

Hokay, assuming that, since there's prep, Tony and Mandarin need not be instantly speed-blitzed. They can enter the arena with force field tech activated.

The question then becomes: do Tony and Mandarin have any feats for force fields, or phasing, or anything that can resist a Super Lex (and possibly Super Leo) speed-blitz?

And if they do, can they withstand it for long enough to counterattack with something that can hurt Super Lex and Super Leo?

We should also add that Luthor and Quintum aren't limited to the super-juice. Luther could cook up super-juice for both of them while Quintum weaponizes one of his discoveries, for example.

[big_adventure]

Why do I have a problem? The problem is Tony's and the Mandarin's.



Hokay, assuming that, since there's prep, Tony and Mandarin need not be instantly speed-blitzed. They can enter the arena with force field tech activated.

The question then becomes: do Tony and Mandarin have any feats for force fields, or phasing, or anything that can resist a Super Lex (and possibly Super Leo) speed-blitz?

And if they do, can they withstand it for long enough to counterattack with something that can hurt Super Lex and Super Leo?

We should also add that Luthor and Quintum aren't limited to the super-juice. Luther could cook up super-juice for both of them while Quintum weaponizes one of his discoveries, for example.

Tony, with his regular armor and no prep, absorbed power from Sentry and force-fielded a way-beyond-nuke-level blast in Mighty Avengers.

Tony, with his armor running on backup power, no prep, and no specific defense raised, no-sold a combined magic/energy blast from Doom where Doom was absolutely trying to one-shot him. Also Mighty Avengers.

As far as stuff he can do with some prep, well, he has built planet-busting bombs, has created/perfected Extremis, has integrated Extremis into a cell-phone app that anyone can use for a price, is currently running around so amped that he effortlessly out-speeds, out-HtH's and out strengths Daredevil WITHOUT his armor, has mucked about with the Phoenix-force, bitch-slapped all of the Mandarin ring-wielders including Malekith (who had a number of them by that time, plus his own abilities) and all of the Dark Elves to boot.

Honestly, with prep, there is no reason at all that he can't come up with something to deal with the blitz.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Phoenix-Buster.

It actually worked.

[Anarchist]

Phoenix-Buster.

It actually worked.

Nah, not really, it was supposed to kill it, but it just split it up.

[big_adventure]

Nah, not really, it was supposed to kill it, but it just split it up.

The fact that it affected the force at all puts it as a good prep feat for manipulating titanic amounts of energy. He's also got self-powered bases around Jupiter and on the moon and such, a partial Dyson sphere he designed and partially finished, and has provided tech to basically power the world for nearly free (not adopted, but that's standard comic fare). Oh, and there is also him using his armor, again, without extensive prep, to channel all of Mjolnir's energy to breakup a god-level version of Diablo amped by the High-Evolutionary adapting the Destroyer. Since he's got that kind of stuff plus incredibly high-end force-field tech that, even without prep, is tanking ludicrous damage simply by amping his armor's built in (read - not prep boosted) field, making a blitz-survival tool with prep is just fine. He's also got feats for time, space and dimension hopping. Not on Doom or Reed's levels, no, but he's got the tech and the experience. Hell, a recent standard suit of armor had integrated FTL travel and comms. Really no reason he can't forcefield the blitz, then dump the bitches so far away they either can't ever come back (another dimension/timeline), or that they die of old age before they make it back.

[Anarchist]

I wasn't doubting that, just slightly correcting
But yeah, with enough prep Tony is way ahead of these two.

He is third only to Reed and Doom (on Earth) in terms of "crazy-ass super-genius"

[big_adventure]

I wasn't doubting that, just slightly correcting
But yeah, with enough prep Tony is way ahead of these two.

He is third only to Reed and Doom (on Earth) in terms of "crazy-ass super-genius"

Yup - it's not enough of a feat to beat a mid-tier cosmic or anything, but it's just fine against most "mortal" threats.

[Anarchist]

If we would put Tony against Pre-Crisis Lex, that'd be more of a fight.

[big_adventure]

If we would put Tony against Pre-Crisis Lex, that'd be more of a fight.

Lex: "I will kill the alien Tony Stark!!!!"

Minion: "Mr. Luthor, Tony Stark's a human. Born in the US, rich and famous family, went to MIT, holds doctorates, runs companies, famous bout with alcoholism - it's all public record."

Lex: "Human, you say? Huh. Well, let him be, then. Next on my list: Reed Richards!!!"

Minion: "Um, boss, about that..."

[Shellhead]

The question then becomes: do Tony and Mandarin have any feats for force fields, or phasing, or anything that can resist a Super Lex (and possibly Super Leo) speed-blitz?

Mandarin used a force field generator for a while back in the '70s. It worked well enough against Iron Man's punches and repulsor rays, but would probably be inadequate against a Super Lex speed-blitz.

[big_adventure]

Mandarin used a force field generator for a while back in the '70s. It worked well enough against Iron Man's punches and repulsor rays, but would probably be inadequate against a Super Lex speed-blitz.

As pointed out already, Tony's way past Mandarin, both in general prep, and specifically in forcefields.