Controversial Spider-Man Opinions

[PanicPixieDreamGirl]

There are Gwen Stacy haters, but I think most of her detractors are just forceful in their claims that she lacks personality. When I read other people's comments, I often think, "Man, they don't let Gwen have anything." It still surprises me that some fans claim she could be replaced by any woman.

Gwen assaults demonstrators(who slandered Peter), tells picketers that protesting won't help, and backs fascists. Gwen Stacy behaved as befitted a spoiled daughter of a 1960s police captain. Her tolerance for some views was poor back then, but it has gotten worse over time.

It's stuff like this which makes me roll my eyes at the concept of the sliding timeline. I understand why it exists and all (nothing about canon would make any sense otherwise) but it's so limiting in its own way. I doubt there'll ever be a story that acknowledges that if 60s-70s Gwen existed in our present, she'd probably be at best a centrist "all lives matter" type.

[Rzerox21xx]

Am I a terrible person if I think all the BND love interest should get fridged. Carlie, Norah, Michelle. Well to make it better, might as well killed off Vin. I know Dexter got crippled. hmmm I guess thats all the cast I can think of.

[Xwho]

What does everyone think of this: If the clone saga had not been dragged out as long as it was, they did not kill Ock, there was no pregnancy,no replace the human race with new ones plan,Ben Reilly had somehow be given the Peter Parker name and even have the other Peter become the Scarlet Spider at some point later as well as MAYBE take on a new name, would it have stuck or would it have been retconned at some point like with sins past ?
If so PLEASE explain all the reasons.

PLEASE REPLY.

[Lukmendes]

There are Gwen Stacy haters, but I think most of her detractors are just forceful in their claims that she lacks personality. When I read other people's comments, I often think, "Man, they don't let Gwen have anything." It still surprises me that some fans claim she could be replaced by any woman.

A lot of times she has a personality that is interchangeable with any other generic love interest, and about most of her actions are defined by Peter in some way, so yeah, she's pretty whatever as a character, which sucks, she had some more going on for her back in Ditko's run, and more importantly, the best eyebrows.

It's stuff like this which makes me roll my eyes at the concept of the sliding timeline. I understand why it exists and all (nothing about canon would make any sense otherwise) but it's so limiting in its own way. I doubt there'll ever be a story that acknowledges that if 60s-70s Gwen existed in our present, she'd probably be at best a centrist "all lives matter" type.

That would assume writers actually read Gwen's past stories and/or care about defining her personality, something nobody really tried 'cause Saint Gwen™ died for our sins.

Am I a terrible person if I think all the BND love interest should get fridged. Carlie, Norah, Michelle. Well to make it better, might as well killed off Vin. I know Dexter got crippled. hmmm I guess thats all the cast I can think of.

Terrible person for wanting fictional characters killed? No.

At worst one can be considered apathetic to fans of these characters to want 'em dead (and I'm assuming it's wanting the character dead and nothing else, no dumb bullying or whatever), which's rather tame if that's all the person does.

[HypnoHustler]

What do you think of this: If the clone saga had not been dragged out as long as it was, they did not kill Ock, there was no pregnancy,no replace the human race with new ones plan,Ben Reilly had somehow be given the Peter Parker name and even have the other Peter become the Scarlet Spider at some point later as well as MAYBE take on a new name, would it have stuck or would it have been retconned at some point like with sins past ?
If so PLEASE explain all the reasons.

PLEASE REPLY.

I appreciate your intense interest in our opinions lol.

There's no way to know. I think boots or someone else said it could've been like a Kyle Rayner situation where it lasted for about a decade but was eventually undone in favor of nostalgia and back to basics. Even Wally West, imo the most successful legacy character in comics, was displaced to put boring Barry Allen back in the Flash suit (Wally lasted about 2 decades). I think if everything was handled perfectly and comic fans more or less accepted Ben Reilly as the new Spidey, it would've still been reversed in time for the first Sam Raimi movie in 2002. There was never any way Reilly was going to be Spidey forever, I feel.

[Agent Z]

There are Gwen Stacy haters, but I think most of her detractors are just forceful in their claims that she lacks personality. When I read other people's comments, I often think, "Man, they don't let Gwen have anything." It still surprises me that some fans claim she could be replaced by any woman.

Gwen assaults demonstrators(who slandered Peter), tells picketers that protesting won't help, and backs fascists. Gwen Stacy behaved as befitted a spoiled daughter of a 1960s police captain. Her tolerance for some views was poor back then, but it has gotten worse over time.

The "backs fascists" thing happened once when Gwen was grieving her father's death which she blamed Spider-Man for and didn't know anything about Bullit's ideology beyond him hating vigilantes and disagreeing with her father.

Frankly, Jameson deserves a lot more scrutiny for platforming Bullit given he's the adult running a newspaper and only learned of Bullit's connections to white supremacist groups because a black man did the research.

[Xwho]

Who is boots and could it had stuck even when the movie came out with Ben Reilly becoming Peter Parker and kept the same supporting cast as well as using the classic like costume after being found out as the original ?

PLEASE REPLY.

[PanicPixieDreamGirl]

The "backs fascists" thing happened once when Gwen was grieving her father's death which she blamed Spider-Man for and didn't know anything about Bullit's ideology beyond him hating vigilantes and disagreeing with her father.

Frankly, Jameson deserves a lot more scrutiny for platforming Bullit given he's the adult running a newspaper and only learned of Bullit's connections to white supremacist groups because a black man did the research.

I suppose to be fair Google didn't exist then, but you'd think the guy ranting about "war with left-wing anarchists" in front of her would've tipped her off. Agreed about Jameson, god knows how Robbie put up with him.

[PCN24454]

Am I a terrible person if I think all the BND love interest should get fridged. Carlie, Norah, Michelle. Well to make it better, might as well killed off Vin. I know Dexter got crippled. hmmm I guess thats all the cast I can think of.

You talk about it as though they weren’t already. Pretty much every character was systematically removed from Peter’s life. It was annoying.

[Xwho]

I appreciate your intense interest in our opinions lol.

There's no way to know. I think boots or someone else said it could've been like a Kyle Rayner situation where it lasted for about a decade but was eventually undone in favor of nostalgia and back to basics. Even Wally West, imo the most successful legacy character in comics, was displaced to put boring Barry Allen back in the Flash suit (Wally lasted about 2 decades). I think if everything was handled perfectly and comic fans more or less accepted Ben Reilly as the new Spidey, it would've still been reversed in time for the first Sam Raimi movie in 2002. There was never any way Reilly was going to be Spidey forever, I feel.

Why would they have had to change it back in time for the movie if he had the Peter Parker name, the classic spider man costume and the classic supporting cast ?

Please reply.

[Xwho]

Could a alternate universe series of if marvel had stuck with Ben Reilly as the original happen, like with spider girl, spider man renew your vows and spider Gwen, with the freedom of being a alternate universe and do some things similar but also differently ?
What does everyone else think ?

Please reply.

[dornwolf]

Am I a terrible person if I think all the BND love interest should get fridged. Carlie, Norah, Michelle. Well to make it better, might as well killed off Vin. I know Dexter got crippled. hmmm I guess thats all the cast I can think of.

Not really. Look at Green Arrow. When Jeff Lemerie took over as like the 2nd or 3rd writer during the new 52 run he killed off all the supporting characters that had been introduced. Mind you they were all based off the Arrow tv show characters so that probably helped but no one really complained. So you can kill off that entire run of characters and nothing would be lost due to the fact that there are already other characters they refuse to use.

[PCN24454]

Am I a terrible person if I think all the BND love interest should get fridged. Carlie, Norah, Michelle. Well to make it better, might as well killed off Vin. I know Dexter got crippled. hmmm I guess thats all the cast I can think of.

Sure, let’s add MJ, Jameson, and Aunt May to the mix to give Peter a clean slate.

[Robanker]

Spider-Man being constant failure in every facet of life while maintaining a revolving door of supermodels to date is not relatable and never has been. It's just wish fulfillment for people who want to be Pete and also wallow in self pity.

Torture porn Spider-Man is boring. Nothing about great responsibility requires he takes the L forever.

[Xwho]

Why did it take as long at it did to reton sins past?