Controversial Spider-Man Opinions

[Agent Z]

Sins Past would have been better off being ignored entirely.

[marhawkman]

Why did it take as long at it did to reton sins past?

Because writers hadn't come up with a good idea.... and still haven't. the Kindred story had some good ideas in it... it just made no sense as a revenge plot... It'd have made more sense if the goblin twins were actually not even there and what looked like them was just another lie.

[Lukmendes]

Spider-Man being constant failure in every facet of life while maintaining a revolving door of supermodels to date is not relatable and never has been. It's just wish fulfillment for people who want to be Pete and also wallow in self pity.

Torture porn Spider-Man is boring. Nothing about great responsibility requires he takes the L forever.

That is something that's generally agreed here, although I'm not sure about the rest of the fanbase lol.

Considering I've seen very few people saying Wells' run is even decent outside of this forum, maybe angst porn isn't liked that much, or at least, not the way Wells is doing it.

Because writers hadn't come up with a good idea.... and still haven't. the Kindred story had some good ideas in it... it just made no sense as a revenge plot... It'd have made more sense if the goblin twins were actually not even there and what looked like them was just another lie.

Them being clones works decently enough, but yeah, there's too much nonsense with Harry's actions.

Like, Harry somehow knew Norman would come back, which makes no sense, by that point Norman had been dead for years, and you can't even excuse "well heroes and villains come back all the time", that wasn't the case in back then, it only happened in very few cases.

Harry doing this also basically makes him into an even bigger hypocrite than before, since he legit thought that Spidey was bad just for existing and getting rid of him would be better since he screws over everyone, now suddenly Harry is okay with spreading a lie about Gwen.

The LMD parents did plant a seed about Harry being the kind of person who'd do that, but it works better in that case since Harry doesn't give a shit about Spidey's parents, but Gwen was a close friend.

There's also the oddity of Mysterio suddenly being this good at the Magic Therapy™ he came up to fool MJ and Norman, while this kind of nonsense isn't new (Bart Hamilton did something similar with Harry, so there's that irony), it's odd for Mysterio to do that.

Even if we ignore all of that though, the whole thing was just, convoluted and kinda annoying, and it's weird how Gabriel and Sarah are puppets, then suddenly have personalities, and I'm sure Gabriel's and Sarah's two fans were annoyed with how they were treated lol.

[PanicPixieDreamGirl]

Man, I'll re-re-retcon all the above for free. Call me, Marvel.

[Mister Mets]

That is something that's generally agreed here, although I'm not sure about the rest of the fanbase lol.

Considering I've seen very few people saying Wells' run is even decent outside of this forum, maybe angst porn isn't liked that much, or at least, not the way Wells is doing it.



Them being clones works decently enough, but yeah, there's too much nonsense with Harry's actions.

Like, Harry somehow knew Norman would come back, which makes no sense, by that point Norman had been dead for years, and you can't even excuse "well heroes and villains come back all the time", that wasn't the case in back then, it only happened in very few cases.

Harry doing this also basically makes him into an even bigger hypocrite than before, since he legit thought that Spidey was bad just for existing and getting rid of him would be better since he screws over everyone, now suddenly Harry is okay with spreading a lie about Gwen.

The LMD parents did plant a seed about Harry being the kind of person who'd do that, but it works better in that case since Harry doesn't give a shit about Spidey's parents, but Gwen was a close friend.

There's also the oddity of Mysterio suddenly being this good at the Magic Therapy™ he came up to fool MJ and Norman, while this kind of nonsense isn't new (Bart Hamilton did something similar with Harry, so there's that irony), it's odd for Mysterio to do that.

Even if we ignore all of that though, the whole thing was just, convoluted and kinda annoying, and it's weird how Gabriel and Sarah are puppets, then suddenly have personalities, and I'm sure Gabriel's and Sarah's two fans were annoyed with how they were treated lol.

Reviews seem okay.

https://comicbookroundup.com/comic-b...der-man-(2022)

[Kevinroc]

Reviews seem okay.

https://comicbookroundup.com/comic-b...der-man-(2022)

People don't take comic book reviews seriously, lol.

[Lukmendes]

Reviews seem okay.

https://comicbookroundup.com/comic-b...der-man-(2022)

Lol some of these are below 8/10, that means "bad" by reviewer's standards.

But yeah, comparing it to Spencer's run, the grades are around the same-ish level, and reviewers even seem to slightly prefer Wells' run, since issue#6 got a 9.0, while none of Spencer's issues did.

People don't take comic book reviews seriously, lol.

Honestly, there are very few reviewers worth taking seriously in general, can't make stuff look bad so grades hardly ever go below 7/10.

[Kevinroc]

Honestly, there are very few reviewers worth taking seriously in general, can't make stuff look bad so grades hardly ever go below 7/10.

I agree, but since we're specifically talking comic books, I focused on that aspect.

[Mercwmouth12]

Lol some of these are below 8/10, that means "bad" by reviewer's standards.

But yeah, comparing it to Spencer's run, the grades are around the same-ish level, and reviewers even seem to slightly prefer Wells' run, since issue#6 got a 9.0, while none of Spencer's issues did.



Honestly, there are very few reviewers worth taking seriously in general, can't make stuff look bad so grades hardly ever go below 7/10.

But 900 was an anniversary issue that has a bunch of backups and according to info it didn't sell well. It sounds like this run will be only 2; years and nothing seems to be on a working pace and it's very odd with how everything thing is going and he characters are very out of character or are portrayed differently every other issue

[Lukmendes]

But 900 was an anniversary issue that has a bunch of backups and according to info it didn't sell well.

Oh I didn't know issue #6 was #900 lol.

What info would even say that #900 didn't sell well? I thought keeping track of sales was difficult now.

It sounds like this run will be only 2; years and nothing seems to be on a working pace and it's very odd with how everything thing is going and he characters are very out of character or are portrayed differently every other issue

Two years would be torture lol.

Like, it hasn't even been six months since vol 6 started...

[Kevinroc]

Two years would be torture lol.

Like, it hasn't even been six months since vol 6 started...

Vol. 6 started at the end of April 2022. So it's been about six months, lol.

[babyblob]

I really love clones. One of my favorite arcs in the Clone Saga and I cant wait to crack into Clone Conspiracy. I enjoy Kaine way more the Ben Riely, and The Jackal is one of my favorite Spiderman villains

[marhawkman]

Them being clones works decently enough, but yeah, there's too much nonsense with Harry's actions.

Like, Harry somehow knew Norman would come back, which makes no sense, by that point Norman had been dead for years, and you can't even excuse "well heroes and villains come back all the time", that wasn't the case in back then, it only happened in very few cases.

Harry doing this also basically makes him into an even bigger hypocrite than before, since he legit thought that Spidey was bad just for existing and getting rid of him would be better since he screws over everyone, now suddenly Harry is okay with spreading a lie about Gwen.

The LMD parents did plant a seed about Harry being the kind of person who'd do that, but it works better in that case since Harry doesn't give a shit about Spidey's parents, but Gwen was a close friend.

There's also the oddity of Mysterio suddenly being this good at the Magic Therapy™ he came up to fool MJ and Norman, while this kind of nonsense isn't new (Bart Hamilton did something similar with Harry, so there's that irony), it's odd for Mysterio to do that.

Even if we ignore all of that though, the whole thing was just, convoluted and kinda annoying, and it's weird how Gabriel and Sarah are puppets, then suddenly have personalities, and I'm sure Gabriel's and Sarah's two fans were annoyed with how they were treated lol.

Which is getting at why I said that changing how Gabriel and Sarah were used only makes it somewhat better. Like you say, Harry and Mysterio weren't written right either.

How amny characters WERE actually "right" in the story? To me it just made the whole thing worse.

[Lukmendes]

Vol. 6 started at the end of April 2022. So it's been about six months, lol.

Almost six months is bad enough lol.

Which is getting at why I said that changing how Gabriel and Sarah were used only makes it somewhat better. Like you say, Harry and Mysterio weren't written right either.

To be fair, writing Mephisto "correctly" around Spidey is difficult, his actions in OMD still make no damn sense.

Like, if he's so afraid that Spidey's daughter will beat his ass somehow, just, kill MJ after the deal, I think he (or Satan or Lucifer) killed Johnny Blaze's father just for shits and giggles lol.

How amny characters WERE actually "right" in the story? To me it just made the whole thing worse.

Only really Spidey and MJ were written more "properly", even then there are still issues (Like how they barely react to learning Norman made a deal with Mephisto, MJ has a shocked face but Spidey has no reaction).

It basically removed a stupid story with bad characterization by, being a stupid story with bad characterization, and convoluted story, yay...

[marhawkman]

To be fair, writing Mephisto "correctly" around Spidey is difficult, his actions in OMD still make no damn sense.

Like, if he's so afraid that Spidey's daughter will beat his ass somehow, just, kill MJ after the deal, I think he (or Satan or Lucifer) killed Johnny Blaze's father just for shits and giggles lol.

honestly... I'm struggling to think of a single GOOD(as in well written) Mephisto story.

Only really Spidey and MJ were written more "properly", even then there are still issues (Like how they barely react to learning Norman made a deal with Mephisto, MJ has a shocked face but Spidey has no reaction).

It basically removed a stupid story with bad characterization by, being a stupid story with bad characterization, and convoluted story, yay...

It didn't remove the stupidity of the original though, it just heaped half baked retcons on it!

The only thing it "fixed"... was the Gwen Stacy stuff. People felt that it was impossible for A Gwen to do that, and B: Pete to not notice until after getting punched a few times by the goblin twins. So the retcon is that, no, actually, she didn't.

But everything else was bad.

1: while Gabriel and Sarah were new, not well-liked characters... This completely ruined what few good aspects the two of them had. The original story actually did some interesting things with them.

2: the changes.. didn't create anything new. It's weird... rehashes of old characters, one could say Kindred is sort of new... but....more of a new identity.

3: the only way to justify half of it is "Mephisto did it with magic". Hmm wait.. Harry, Kindred, and Mysterio all got some magic powers from Mephisto didn't they? their motives even seem to come down to "Mephisto made me do it". which leads to....

4: It's a Mephisto story through and through. It's barely even adjacent to Gwen, Sarah, and Gabriel. why the --- is Spider-Man fighting Mephisto???