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    Quote Originally Posted by exile001 View Post
    So what, exactly, is the point of her being his classmate, other than to say she's his classmate? What is added if there's no actual connection there?

    To me, it's just a lazy shorthand connection to give Peter and Cindy (and most importantly the reader) SOME bond to go forward from. But it ultimately means nothing but comes across as painfully contrived.

    PS, I feel the same about Jessica Jones being Peter's classmate. Really not into that kind of unnecessary retcon that ultimately adds nothing of value.
    At this point I just headcanon that Mephisto made a deal with Cindy for power around the time of OMD. Then Mephisto altered history so that Cindy was bit.

    Mephisto made the deal to both have Cindy serve as a possible love interest away from MJ and to put Peter's organic webs into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clonegeek View Post
    At this point I just headcanon that Mephisto made a deal with Cindy for power around the time of OMD. Then Mephisto altered history so that Cindy was bit.

    Mephisto made the deal to both have Cindy serve as a possible love interest away from MJ and to put Peter's organic webs into.
    That legit made me lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exile001 View Post
    So what, exactly, is the point of her being his classmate, other than to say she's his classmate? What is added if there's no actual connection there?

    To me, it's just a lazy shorthand connection to give Peter and Cindy (and most importantly the reader) SOME bond to go forward from. But it ultimately means nothing but comes across as painfully contrived.
    contrived? sure... but... it's the sort of contrived comics are famous for.

    as for what's the point? that's like asking "why is this here?" the answer is often "why not?"

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    I think Rhino working his way into being Spider-Man’s arch enemy could be compelling.

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    I liked Carlie Cooper. She was a fun romantic interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    I liked Carlie Cooper. She was a fun romantic interest.
    I thought she was really boring. The only time I thought she was even mildly interesting was in Spencer's run when she revealed a cynicism about the general public that was the exact opposite of Peter's general faith in other people during the Sin Eater arc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhawkman View Post
    Cindy was a classmate that Pete wasn't particularly close to, so he had no reason to pay attention when she wasn't around. If he didn't know her well enough to remember her name, he's gonna very easily get distracted into not noticing she disappeared. And if we go with the idea that it was a science fair his class was attending... it makes sense for Cindy to be there. .
    Going by Amazing Fantasy 15, Peter's class is not attending it: Peter has to invite other members of his class to come with him and they turn him down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daibhidh View Post
    Going by Amazing Fantasy 15, Peter's class is not attending it: Peter has to invite other members of his class to come with him and they turn him down.
    Ok, if it's not a class trip and just Pete, that changes it yeah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clonegeek View Post
    At this point I just headcanon that Mephisto made a deal with Cindy for power around the time of OMD. Then Mephisto altered history so that Cindy was bit.

    Mephisto made the deal to both have Cindy serve as a possible love interest away from MJ and to put Peter's organic webs into.
    I too have an idea about the Cindy retcon -- not to mention Spider-Boy, Spider-Gwen, and Miles Morales -- that involves a secret villain pulling the strings of the Web of Life and Death for nefarious purposes. Without saying too much, it's sort of a meta-commentary on pulling Peter away from the center of the web.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    I liked Carlie Cooper. She was a fun romantic interest.
    Me, too, actually.
    Keep in mind that you have about as much chance of changing my mind as I do of changing yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonogram12 View Post
    Me, too, actually.
    Carlie is a good character. And I believe should would have found broader acceptance among readers if she had been introduced in a separate iteration of the story.

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    I never liked Carlie. The way she was pushed on the readers as a new love interest in the wake on BND, even MJ cheerleading the relationship. It was doomed to fail anyways but having MJ be that supportive just left a bad taste in my mouth. She was sort of the rebound girl I guess, but I don't think the character was appealing enough on her own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    Carlie is a good character. And I believe should would have found broader acceptance among readers if she had been introduced in a separate iteration of the story.
    Maybe if she was Miles's girlfriend?

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    The Spider-Man franchise has always had questionable writing when it comes to women. As much (mostly) justified criticism that the current ASM volume gets, this isn't an issue that started with Zeb Wells or with the post-OMD era.

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    Carlie Cooper was a decent character from what I read of her in the run up to Spider-Island; but there was a certain air about her that she'd been designed by a committee who were trying to make fetch happen.
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