Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) Appreciation - "Higher, Further, Faster, More!"

[Mike_Murdock]

Just to be clear, I think it's possible to understand something is a product of its time and recognize those limitations while still pointing out the issues that exist that could have been improved. Roy Thomas gets credit for an all-female team even if his understanding and portrayal of feminism leaves a lot to be desired.

[Ichijinijisanji]

Yes, they get points for trying (IMO).

As for her stepping down from NASA being a step backwards for progressiveness....yeah, it is. But then, we're about to see Carol go from running the world's first line of defense against alien threats to being just another superhero in NYC. She's about to go from being one of the most important people alive to being one of dozens doing the same job in a overexposed and overpopulated city. That's a step backwards too. And we all know it's not happening today because Marvel's anti-progressive, it's happening because they're trying to build a workable narrative and they keep dropping the ball with Alpha Flight Station.

She didn't step down from nasa, she was fired for messing up with the captain mar-vell mission.

She stepped down from her homeland security position, mainly because they got stuck in bureaucracy and she didn't feel she was doing enough good in her goal of becoming a better hero.

[mikeb]

She didn't step down from nasa, she was fired for messing up with the captain mar-vell mission.

She stepped down from her homeland security position, mainly because they got stuck in bureaucracy and she didn't feel she was doing enough good in her goal of becoming a better hero.

Not only did Carol get fired from her job as NASA security chief, afterward she decided to write a tell-all book about her experiences at NASA.

[Ichijinijisanji]

Not only did Carol get fired from her job as NASA security chief, afterward she decided to write a tell-all book about her experiences at NASA.

It was more about the space industry in general since writing/space were her "first loves"

[mikeb]

It was more about the space industry in general since writing/space were her "first loves"

Find issue #11 from the 70's series. Carol returns to the cape to do a story about a female astronaut friend of hers. A military officer asks "What's Danvers doing here, Dr. Fredericks? I thought she'd been banned from the cape permanently". Carol answers "Old hatreds die hard, eh Freddie?" He replies "You surprised, Carol? Your book BURNED alot of people...some of them badly" Carol replies "I wrote the truth, ol' buddy. Those who got "BURNED" DESERVED IT". Sounds like a spiteful "tell-all" book to me.

[Ichijinijisanji]

Find issue #11 from the 70's series. Carol returns to the cape to do a story about a female astronaut friend of hers. A military officer asks "What's Danvers doing here, Dr. Fredericks? I thought she'd been banned from the cape permanently". Carol answers "Old hatreds die hard, eh Freddie?" He replies "You surprised, Carol? Your book BURNED alot of people...some of them badly" Carol replies "I wrote the truth, ol' buddy. Those who got "BURNED" DESERVED IT". Sounds like a spiteful "tell-all" book to me.

That's pretty cool. She Snowden'ed them.

Especially considering she went into journalism, reporting on unethical/negligent practices in the space industry seems like a good way to do that. Don't really see any "spite", since she's more about security

[Hypestyle]

I wonder how much remains of her tenure as a journalist/publisher now, especially with the compressed time scale. We'll see, I guess. I also anticipate that this and NASA will be completely bypassed for the movie.

[Ichijinijisanji]

I wonder how much remains of her tenure as a journalist/publisher now, especially with the compressed time scale. We'll see, I guess. I also anticipate that this and NASA will be completely bypassed for the movie.

Probably nothing. She seems firmly established in security in some form or the other nowadays. She does have friends/contacts like Tracy burke (now dead), frank gianelli etc from those days though

Though she does get royalties from her books on her space adventures as binary, the space industry etc.

[Mike_Murdock]

Yeah, the fact that Tracy Burke exists demonstrates that her time as a publisher still exists. It's best not to overthink the Marvel timeline. All these things happen even if the characters don't age like you would expect.

[Digifiend]

Also, in Generations, Kamala went back in time (maybe - Hawkeye's seemed to be real time travel but Captain America's was just a pocket universe) and ended up working with Carol at the Bugle as an intern (using a false name, since obviously Carol wouldn't know her yet). Can't see Kobik being able to recreate that time in Carol's life, or simply send Kamala back in time, if that period never happened.

[Sighphi]

I'm not a fan of her constant blackouts and two personalities. I hope it comes to an end soon. An interesting thing is the gap in time since Yon-Rogg and her becoming Ms. Marvel. The blackouts do help explain that and issue two explicitly addresses this issue in exactly the way I would have wanted it addressed. My only preference would have been for her to have a few hints of it before the six months rather than springing Ms. Marvel fully formed on that day.

Not just split she turns into Ms Marvel like Banner to Hulk, she becomes larger and stronger. Which becomes a continuity issue, I would say, because later on no one notices a bigger Carol when the powers finally settled?

[Mike_Murdock]

I didn't notice a size difference (unlike another Chris Claremont character who clearly changed size originally - Captain Britain). She's definitely stronger, though. It was good to see in issue nine or ten that Carol can kick ass too. It was the first time she was shown as a competent fighter rather than dependent on Ms. Marvel. I was comparing Ms. Marvel to the Rogue dynamic, but I think there's an easier connection - it's not at all dissimilar to the Rick Jones/Mar-Vell dynamic at this point. Certainly, the scene where she did the fighting rather than switch feels very much in line with their relationship.

[Ichijinijisanji]

I didn't notice a size difference (unlike another Chris Claremont character who clearly changed size originally - Captain Britain). She's definitely stronger, though. It was good to see in issue nine or ten that Carol can kick ass too. It was the first time she was shown as a competent fighter rather than dependent on Ms. Marvel. I was comparing Ms. Marvel to the Rogue dynamic, but I think there's an easier connection - it's not at all dissimilar to the Rick Jones/Mar-Vell dynamic at this point. Certainly, the scene where she did the fighting rather than switch feels very much in line with their relationship.

I was thinking similarly about the rick jones/mar-vell connection.

She also seems to be able to switch in and out of costume and body type so it does appear like the whole "molecular switch" for the costume/body like the negabands give.

[Cmbmool]

Well bound to be more worried about the Captain Marvel film as we see WHERE in Marvel comics does Kevin Feige found inspiration from...https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/11...aptain-marvel/

[Mike_Murdock]

Can you summarize the BleedingCool article?