Suposedly bad Sequels you think are good?

[AJBopp]

It was worth watching for Tom Hiddleston but three thing stopped it from being a great movie

Jane Foster morphing from potentially gutsy heroine into embarrassingly awful 1920s type damsel in distress

The inappropriate humour

Darcy flaming Lewis and her amazing friends. I honestly don't know of any more irritating sidekicks.

There was no inappropriate humor. Darcy is one of the best parts of this particular franchise. She isn't irritating at all, she's thoroughly awesome. I would watch the movies for her scenes alone.

[Punisher007]

Skyfall is a pretty bad movie. It's boring once it gets past the midway point, the movie is all about the villains poorly defined relationship to M, it doesn't feel like a Bond movie at all, (which is funny given the movie ends with a big Bond anniversary seal: In honor of Bonds 50th, here's an action movie like all the other big action movies) and it's a series of Bond references (that get worse and worse as the movie goes along) that go nowhere.

As someone who's seen ALL of the Bond films at least twice, YES Skyfall most definitely DOES feel like a Bond film. In fact, given how radically different the various films have been in terms of tone, scale, plot, feel, etc, that "complaint" actually makes even LESS sense. There is no one way to do a Bond film, that's been proven over and over and over again over the decades. Compare FRWL to Moonraker, CR to YOLT, DAD to OHMSS, etc. They're VERY different from each other, so saying that there's only one way to make a Bond film flat-out doesn't work.

Oh and I found the little callbacks to be rather clever, certainly more so than they were in DAD (the 40th Anniversary film).

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Off that list ....Terminator Salvation. Its just a pretty solid film that many ripped for being a radical departure from the standard Terminator films. Also it had other knocks against it.

1.) It didn't have Arnold . At the time Salvation came out he was Governor of California and wasn't acting . But people blasted the film for not having the signature star. Never mind that T3 was a load of utter shit.

2.) Christian Bale's angry meltdown which over shadowed the film.



Bale's meltdown became more known than the film. Which is sad because Bale did apologize and later worked with the guy that day.

3.) The company that bought the rights of the Terminator franchise , wanted to do 2-3 more films. Instead they basically sank themselves into Chapter 11 due to the budget of the film. The film budget went over $200 million and they were sued for owing money to various people. It was learned after this that the company went in debt over a couple million.

[LoneNecromancer]

Same for Quantum Of Solace. Nothing great -- especially after Casino Royale -- but on rewatches, it's decent fun. Just a bunch of chase scenes, basically. After Skyfall, I think it looks like a masterpiece.

Skyfall wasn't perfect, I thought it fell completely on its face in the third act, but there's no way it was worse than QoS. The action and some of the character stuff was quite good, but the overall plot was really dumb. That vague grudge or something against M was still better than this other pointless crap about water supplies and oil.

[shades of eternity]

terminator salvations biggest problem is it should have been the 5th movie, rather then the 4th

it should have been john conner's rise to power against the machines.

it really did nail the environment so well that I was seriously enjoying the movie.

And moonraker had the only bond villain to return and successfully be rehabilitated..JAWS

he alone is worth the price of admission.

[AJBopp]

Skyfall wasn't perfect, I thought it fell completely on its face in the third act, but there's no way it was worse than QoS. The action and some of the character stuff was quite good, but the overall plot was really dumb. That vague grudge or something against M was still better than this other pointless crap about water supplies and oil.

Both were enjoyable movies, but QoS was the better of the two.

[lancerman]

Both were enjoyable movies, but QoS was the better of the two.

I thought Skyfall was better. More exciting where it counted and a better story. Was kind of tough watching a Bond film about M freaking out that Bond was indiscriminately killing every bad guy he went up against. And while the guy who played the villain is a good actor, he was just forgettable, especially compared to Le Chifre and Silva.

And not for nothing, one film was about a guy trying to kill M and the other was about a massive terrorist group of elites working with a dictator and annexing a nations fresh water supply to create a monopoly over it. And the first felt like it was the grander scale. That's not good. Also not good when the main plot is an afterthought to Bond finding his dead girlfriends ex.

[AJBopp]

I thought Skyfall was better. More exciting where it counted and a better story.

Skyfall fell down in a major way for me when the plot point that instigated the story (theft of a list of undercover agents) was not only lifted from Mission: Impossible, but was left unresolved and entirely forgotten. QoS had a wider-reaching plot that was more in line with the scale of a Bond story (SPECTRE, anyone?). I did appreciate the look into Bond's past in Skyfall, but they really needed to tighten up the script and make sure the end of the movie had some relevance to the start.

[evangelionofasgard]

now for the reveal lol, im a fan or big fan of every film i put on the poll but the godfather part3 which i have not seen.
for some reason when i voted i left out mookraker cus the memory of the camp made me hesitate but, its fun for sure.

1.) Evangelionofasgard, Thanks for the Thread and Nice to meet you my friend, Welcome to CBR!
2.) Jason Goes to Hell: I think this is underrated. This is Jason at his most mystical and evil, this is when he was fully evolved as a Demon Being from just being a deformed killer. Gave Jason a near unbeatable mythos and really set for most of who Jason was for me before I saw most of his other movies. Also, gave the 1st crossover of Freddy vs. Jason.

1.) many many thanks man
2.) agreed, also i think it had one of the most fun, mature and well acted cast of the franchise, which helped alot. i hold it as being one of the best body swapping films out there.

I liked Nightmare 2 allot it was killer

agree, most of the reason it is hated is dew to there being alot of gay undertones to the possession aspect of the film.
but i thought the lead was pretty sympathetic, i think kim myers as the female lead was even better than nancy in the first film (not nancy in 3 but still)
and both the bus opening and the pool massacre are some of the best set pieces of the franchises IMO

Jane Foster morphing from potentially gutsy heroine into embarrassingly awful 1920s type damsel in distress

i do not think this happened on any level whatsoever

it really did nail the environment so well that I was seriously enjoying the movie.

while i agree, thats interesting considering one of the bigger complaints about the film is that it did not look like the world Cameron showed us in 1-2

[CJStriker]

1.) many many thanks man
2.) agreed, also i think it had one of the most fun, mature and well acted cast of the franchise, which helped alot. i hold it as being one of the best body swapping films out there.

No Problem, Glad to meet you and read some of you interesting threads you made Evangelionofasgard!

Indeed, IMO Jason Goes to Hell to was the culmination of all the other 8 movies. Jason had killed so many people and went from a Disfigured Strong-Man of the Forrest, to a Super-Zombie in the Later Films, all his kills in My Personal Head-Canon or aka, what I got out of the film when I watched it, was the way he looked and how his dark form to his body look to the bitch-black blood, hypnotic heart and parasite demonic form all came about from the death and brutality of the life he lived and the way he evolved, turning him into a Living Demon of a Man!

Really, IMO this showed a nice progression of the mythos that surround Jason and really was how I viewed him when I was young and still do today. This version to, when you think about it, carried allot over to that into Freddy vs. Jason Movie that was a Big Hit! So IMO, Jason Goes to Hell had an Impact that Greatly influenced the franchise as a whole.

[Guest_1001]

I thought Skyfall was better. More exciting where it counted and a better story. Was kind of tough watching a Bond film about M freaking out that Bond was indiscriminately killing every bad guy he went up against. And while the guy who played the villain is a good actor, he was just forgettable, especially compared to Le Chifre and Silva.

And not for nothing, one film was about a guy trying to kill M and the other was about a massive terrorist group of elites working with a dictator and annexing a nations fresh water supply to create a monopoly over it. And the first felt like it was the grander scale. That's not good. Also not good when the main plot is an afterthought to Bond finding his dead girlfriends ex.

I disagree with that and it's actually mainly due to the less-grand scale that I find Skyfall to be the less-enjoyable film (and less like a Bond film). I see Bond films as globetrotting adventures where a secret agent has to stop a madman trying to take over the world, or a country in this case. Skyfall set up much of that in the first half but I felt didn't deliver on it in the second. It became a somewhat silly romp around some clichéd British locales.

[PennyD]

Starship troopers? whadda bout them apples

[Crimson Knight]

Starship troopers? whadda bout them apples

Which one, though? There's 4 films, last I checked, which do you find better than people say?

[Cyke]

Look up the honest trailer for skyfall. it'll explain a lot of my personal problems with the film (though I actually largely enjoyed it, just hate the dangling plot points)

To be fair, Honest Trailers does the same treatment to any movie it comes across, no matter how good or bad it may be (and if they skewer a good movie, that's even more fun somtimes. People skewer bad movies all the time thanks to MST3k's legacy, so a good movie getting it is a novelty).

As someone who's seen ALL of the Bond films at least twice, YES Skyfall most definitely DOES feel like a Bond film. In fact, given how radically different the various films have been in terms of tone, scale, plot, feel, etc, that "complaint" actually makes even LESS sense. There is no one way to do a Bond film, that's been proven over and over and over again over the decades. Compare FRWL to Moonraker, CR to YOLT, DAD to OHMSS, etc. They're VERY different from each other, so saying that there's only one way to make a Bond film flat-out doesn't work.

Oh and I found the little callbacks to be rather clever, certainly more so than they were in DAD (the 40th Anniversary film).

I thought Skyfall was better. More exciting where it counted and a better story. Was kind of tough watching a Bond film about M freaking out that Bond was indiscriminately killing every bad guy he went up against. And while the guy who played the villain is a good actor, he was just forgettable, especially compared to Le Chifre and Silva.

And not for nothing, one film was about a guy trying to kill M and the other was about a massive terrorist group of elites working with a dictator and annexing a nations fresh water supply to create a monopoly over it. And the first felt like it was the grander scale. That's not good. Also not good when the main plot is an afterthought to Bond finding his dead girlfriends ex.

I'd have to agree with both of these sentiments. I thought Skyfall was definitely among the sharper and crisper entries in the franchise, and out of the Bonds of the last 30 years or so, it's in my top 4, I think (top 3 depending on how I feel that day). But I'd have to rewatch it to give a better analysis.

[spacegoatpurrp]

Lots of people hated Iron Man 3 but I loved it. In fact I thought it was better than Iron Man 2