If Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver Are Inhumans, What Should the X-Men Do to Attilan?

[dragonmp93]

You guys are forgetting the important thing: if Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver turn out not to be mutants, then the Avengers have retroactively been anti-mutant racists for most of their history.

As of now, the Avengers have traditionally been a very progressive team on mutant rights, hiring two open mutants (and ex-Brotherhood members at that) in issue #16 at a time when the X-Men still concealed their true identities.

But if Wanda and Pietro turn out to be Inhumans or whatever, then the Avengers retroactively didn't have a mutant on their team until Hank McCoy joined in 1975, and rarely had mutant members after he left. So finally all those who have called the Avengers a bunch of anti-mutant bigots will be vindicated. Retroactively.

See, not everything is bad.

i'm guessing that's provbably where bendis made his dig in OS about steve always seeing the mutants as a threat came from.

that said; the twins thought they were mutants; the brotherhood thought they were mutants, the sentinels and cerebro thought they were mutants, adn the inhumans certainly thought they were mutangts. its kind of unfair to use this as proof of the facist avengers; when there's much better examples to use.

but then again this is a thread calling for the x-comics to provide us with torture porn of magik cutting ahura and luna to pieces, sabretooth eating kamala and; i don't know, firestar and magma setting flint on fire; so really who is going to bother noting it.

Im pretty sure that if this turns to be truth, i would bet anything that it would be revealed that Cerebro always could detect Inhumans all along.

[Star_Jammer]

You guys are forgetting the important thing: if Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver turn out not to be mutants, then the Avengers have retroactively been anti-mutant racists for most of their history.

As of now, the Avengers have traditionally been a very progressive team on mutant rights, hiring two open mutants (and ex-Brotherhood members at that) in issue #16 at a time when the X-Men still concealed their true identities.

But if Wanda and Pietro turn out to be Inhumans or whatever, then the Avengers retroactively didn't have a mutant on their team until Hank McCoy joined in 1975, and rarely had mutant members after he left. So finally all those who have called the Avengers a bunch of anti-mutant bigots will be vindicated. Retroactively.

Tut tut. We've already determined (in another thread) that one cannot be racist against mutants anyway.

Silver linings, everywhere!

[Myetche]

I wonder if that's how she loses the shapeshifting ?

As I'm understanding it, Kamala's appearance-shapeshifting comes from being so overcharged with energy during Terrigenesis. As she burns off the excess energy to heal from wounds and it goes back down to normal levels, this specific ability of hers will fade away.

[dragonmp93]

Tut tut. We've already determined (in another thread) that one cannot be racist against mutants anyway.

Silver linings, everywhere!

Really, in which one ?. I only remember the one where we determined that the mutant arent even close to being people, so M-day is not genocide anyways.

Only if it's also retconned that anybody knew they weren't mutants. If not, Steve still deserves credit for taking that step with the Kooky Quartet, as well as making sure that Wanda and Pietro were in the clear with the authorities for everything Magneto had coerced them into doing as part of the Brotherhood (which he had to do before making them Avengers, to be sure), just as he made sure Clint was not going to face charges for the stuff the Black Widow had tricked him into doing. It would remain a great example of affirmative action and offering misled youth a second chance in one.

Scarlet Witch: I have discovered something about my family.
Steve Rogers: I already know.
Quicksilver: Wait, did you already knew that Magneto is not our father ?.
Steve Rogers: No.
Quicksilver: Then what are you talking about ?.
Steve Rogers: I was talking about your Inhumans heritage.
Scarlet Witch: And how do you know about that ?.
Steve Rogers: Remember about that blood test during the Skrull Invasión ?.

[vitruvian]

Really, in which one ?. I only remember the one where we determined that the mutant arent even close to being people, so M-day is not genocide anyways.



Scarlet Witch: I have discovered something about my family.
Steve Rogers: I already know.
Quicksilver: Wait, did you already knew that Magneto is not our father ?.
Steve Rogers: No.
Quicksilver: Then what are you talking about ?.
Steve Rogers: I was talking about your Inhumans heritage.
Scarlet Witch: And how do you know about that ?.
Steve Rogers: Remember about that blood test during the Skrull Invasión ?.

Even if that were to happen, which I doubt, what possible relevance would that have to Steve's decision to recruit them back in Avengers #16?

[Tazpocalapse]

Step One: Point out to Wanda that her self-hatred was misdirected and that it should be focused on Inhumans.

Step Two: Make popcorn and watch her decimate some other group while on one of her power trips. I doubt any surviving Inhumans would be as restrained in their response as mutants have been.

This is the best game plan i have heard.First i love Kamala Khan (as a Character) so any thoughts of harming her get them out your head.
Second why should the X-men attack Attila the x-men have mostly been on friendly terms with the inhumans before all this started.Heck the real apocs has even used Inhumans as shock troops,X-factor promised the the royals they would do everything to return their cousins. Also the Inhumans are a movie property now giving them a gold card to do whatever, Marvel would never allow it unless you wanna see the X-men look like incompetent villians and get jobbed again.

What would be a good story is what if Inhumans or Nuhumans decide the ask the X-men to help them overthrow the Royal Family and establish a different system that is not ruled by a royal family. The X-men could then prove they are the champions of those feared and hated. The X-men could apply all the divisive tactics they have used on each other since schism, and start up a revolution among the none human looking inhumans.

[Runarc]

Step One: Point out to Wanda that her self-hatred was misdirected and that it should be focused on Inhumans.

Step Two: Make popcorn and watch her decimate some other group while on one of her power trips. I doubt any surviving Inhumans would be as restrained in their response as mutants have been.

The father that fucked her up was still a mutant. All the crap that happened to her was still mutant related as well. Really doesn't change anything for her.

[Taral-DLOS]

Mutants and the Inhuman have never been friends.

Phoenix (Jean) and Nightcrawler once almost tore Attilan to the ground.



But now that it has been revealed that Scarlet Witch is an Inhuman, should the X-Men raze Attilan to the ground?

It seems that the Inhumans are already preparing for war.



Should the X-Men hunt the Inhuman down till there are no more than 180 left?

I feel that too many people are jumping on this bandwagon and too few (while not zero, still too few) people are acknowledging that nothing like this has been revealed.

That being said: IF IT WERE SO DECLARED...I would love to see a multi-issue "What If? House of M vs. Inhumanity". Like What If? AvX, it could be a 4-issue mini that was all one big story. In this, Scarlet Witch is manipulated (perhaps by Maximus) that the Inhumans ruled the world. Mutants and baseline humans alike are persecuted by anyone with Inhuman lineage. Every human is subjected to Terrigenesis, and those who do not transform are sent into grottos. Magneto leads a bunch of mutants (and humans alike) to stop the Inhuman rulers.

It ends with Wanda saying "No More Inhumans". The last panel is Black Bolt screaming NOOO!!! while everyone around him is safe and sound, unharmed by a normal voice.

[Tazpocalapse]

The father that fucked her up was still a mutant. All the crap that happened to her was still mutant related as well. Really doesn't change anything for her.

Honestly most of the crap that happened to her to turn her into a insane self-hating nutjob was when she was with the Avengers.Darker than Scarlett Avengers related. Avengers Disassembled Avengers related. One of the mutant involved incidents she was involved in brought no harm to her at all, but ruined the lives of millions of mutants. The question is lets hypothetically say she is a Inhuman. Now lets hear her talk that B.S. she did to Rogue to them.

[vitruvian]

The father that fucked her up was still a mutant. All the crap that happened to her was still mutant related as well. Really doesn't change anything for her.

She was a young adult before ever meeting Magneto, though, so having him go back to just the dude who rescued them from a mob and then held it over their heads to get them to be mutant terrorists for a (really short) while significantly reduces the impact. Think about it, her and Pietro's life works out into three-four phases...

1) In childhood, every indication is that the Maximoffs raised their adopted kids with plenty of love, no indication of trauma there. So, the father that raised her didn't f her up at all.

2) Then their mutant powers manifest, and they start having trouble with angry mobs (particularly Wanda, whose power was not at all under control even if the effects were much more minor than later on), get rescued by Magneto, and are part of the Brotherhood for a really, really short time... however long two to three stories actually take in Marvel time. So, there's some trauma here, from having people with torches and pitchforks after them, and from the coercion, abuse, and danger they faced as members of the Brotherhood under Magneto.

3) Then they join the Avengers, which includes having whatever stuff they did for Magneto legally resolved or swept under the rug so they can get the security clearances, etc., that involved at the time. And while there were the occasional stories for them that involved them being mutants, whether Magneto trying to recruit them back, or standing against the Sentinels with the X-Men, or people being mad not only that she was marrying an android but that she was a mutant (even though that was rarely brought up otherwise), for the most part Wanda's life in particular was good or bad based on Avengers stuff or her own particular wacky life, so far from all the 'crap' that happened to her was mutant-related, except maybe in the sense that if she didn't have mutant powers she wouldn't be living the superhero life where she married an android, had magic kids, was possessed by an Elder God, was mind controlled by a dude from the future, got told the kids were figments made from fragments of Mephisto, and all the rest.

4) And then we get Disassembled, House of M, and M-Day, followed by the last 10 years of disappearance and varied attempts to redeem her. Now, it must be admitted that M-Day casts such a huge shadow over this latest period of her life that it could be said most of the crap she faces now is mutant related.... but it's not really the case that this is the source of all of her lifetime trauma.

None of which should be taken to suggest that it makes sense for her to attack the Inhumans because she might be distantly related, even if that were to come to pass.