Finches Introduce Pre-New 52 Character in "Wonder Woman" #37

[Sirzechs]

It's not what i said. But choose a origin where the mother sacrified to birth a warrior to kill another woman lacks dignity

And how exactly do you know Donna's there to kill Diana? up until this point I though she was going to replace her as Queen.

[Sacred Knight]

It doesn't need any justification in the first place. You're more than free not to like the idea they went with, but the choice does not have to be justified to you or anyone else, and its dishonest to try and claim the nature of it is something this so-called by not-really darkness of the New 52 brought on.

[Sirzechs]

still not a good justification

Did you hate Donna's origin before?

[ScottDDraws]

Wow I am really tired of Blacksun butchering the meaning of Cheesecake when it comes to art.

FYI

2. A genre of glamour photography and poster art made popular in wartime pin-ups of the 1940's, often featuring modest poses by movie starlets displaying lots of leg but little explicit nudity. So called because of the resemblance of a stocking-clad female thigh to the layers of a cheesecake dessert.

3. (Hence) Any pictures, modeling, posing or shooting for glamour photography or softcore porn.


There was nothing Cheesecake about that scene or the book in general so far.

If you're going to throw a term around, please for the love of art learn what it actually means.

[ScottDDraws]

Now my opinion, the story actually wasn't half bad, and the art inproved from the last issue in my opinion, there was more consistancy, and less puffy 16 year old, and the solicitation covers for March look like Davad Finch is further getting the grasp of her.

I am a die hard WW fan, I have a HUGE collection of comics, and Book based on her history. I wrote a paper on her for college years ago. I have no idea what people are complaining about and it feels like people are just looking for things to complain about, there have been far worse runs of her. Yet people are making it seem like this is the worst thing ever. Hell I have been lurking on these forums without an account for a very long time. Some of the same people complaining about this, complained about Chaing/Suduka's (sp) art run too. I won't name names though.

Seriously there are far worse things to complain about than this teams run.

[Darius]

Wow I am really tired of Blacksun butchering the meaning of Cheesecake when it comes to art.

FYI

2. A genre of glamour photography and poster art made popular in wartime pin-ups of the 1940's, often featuring modest poses by movie starlets displaying lots of leg but little explicit nudity. So called because of the resemblance of a stocking-clad female thigh to the layers of a cheesecake dessert.

3. (Hence) Any pictures, modeling, posing or shooting for glamour photography or softcore porn.


There was nothing Cheesecake about that scene or the book in general so far.

If you're going to throw a term around, please for the love of art learn what it actually means.

WW was modeled after Victorian era illustrated porn pinup girls ... But let's be honest, in today's world Blacksun has a valid point that over-sexualization is a problem.

[neonrideraryeh]

Wow I am really tired of Blacksun butchering the meaning of Cheesecake when it comes to art.

FYI

2. A genre of glamour photography and poster art made popular in wartime pin-ups of the 1940's, often featuring modest poses by movie starlets displaying lots of leg but little explicit nudity. So called because of the resemblance of a stocking-clad female thigh to the layers of a cheesecake dessert.

3. (Hence) Any pictures, modeling, posing or shooting for glamour photography or softcore porn.


There was nothing Cheesecake about that scene or the book in general so far.

If you're going to throw a term around, please for the love of art learn what it actually means.

Indeed. Being naked isn't always over-sexualising (for example, it's not if it's say somebody being created/born, even if they are considered attractive). If somebody thinks that way, that's a problem with them and not the piece itself.

[ScottDDraws]

WW was modeled after Victorian era illustrated porn pinup girls ... But let's be honest, in today's world Blacksun has a valid point that over-sexualization is a problem.

It's no where near as bad as it was in the 90's though. It's leaps and bounds better. Plus I think people have lost what over sexualizing actually is, just for the sake of being abke to cry foul, and complain.

There's nothing over sexualized in the current WW run, not even that shower scene from #36 (If you think so I can give you a TON more gratuitous male shower scenes.example - Jason Todd Pre N52 Batman and Robin Prison Shower scene.)

[numberthirty]

Indeed. Being naked isn't always over-sexualising (for example, it's not if it's say somebody being created/born, even if they are considered attractive). If somebody thinks that way, that's a problem with them and not the piece itself.

If you choose to ignore the fact that the pose in question has been a skin mag staple since I was a kid, sure.

[hotroddii]

People were complaining at Wally West is only 12 ... Donna is effectively 0.

It'll be at least 12 years before she officially qualifies as even a TEEN Titan ;-)

[Darius]

It's no where near as bad as it was in the 90's though. It's leaps and bounds better. Plus I think people have lost what over sexualizing actually is, just for the sake of being abke to cry foul, and complain.

There's nothing over sexualized in the current WW run, not even that shower scene from #36 (If you think so I can give you a TON more gratuitous male shower scenes.example - Jason Todd Pre N52 Batman and Robin Prison Shower scene.)

Everyone has a different tolerance for these things. I don't think the scene in question was horrible, but the other poster has a valid POV on it IMO that I don't think is "crying foul".

[Sirzechs]

If you choose to ignore the fact that the pose in question has been a skin mag staple since I was a kid, sure.

The pose? she's getting up out of the cauldron it looks like a humped back zombie, claiming she's posing is just reaching.

[billee0918]

Figured I'd add some depth and complexity to this discussion......what's her costume gonna look like???

[Darius]

Figured I'd add some depth and complexity to this discussion......what's her costume gonna look like???

She's gonna run around naked!

Sarcasm aside ... I hope for the Heinerg WW look ... Amazonian, but still bad@ss

[Dr. Poison]

D'uh, she's gonna run around naked!

Sarcasm aside ... I hope for the Heinerg WW look ... Amazonian, but still bad@ss

I'm hoping for something similar to one of these myself(with silver replacing all of the gold on the 2nd one):