Was It The Right Decision To Make America?

[jackolover]

I'll reframe the question. Was it the right decision to break away from the UK and create the 52 States, rather than remain a British colony, and split the country with France and Mexico? The reason I ask this is not just for an expression of Patriotism, but, to analyse if the North American States have become viable, and a fertile place for growth and its people, or, has it turned out the dream wasn't as good as it first sounded?

You could have something similar to Canada, or even a fused Canada/America right now, if the founding fathers had not had the war of independance. Would a Canada/America have been a better idea, than the United Stares of America?

I ask this not to be inflammatory, but as a scholarly question of the condition of America versus the condition of Canada as an example. Comparing the two, what has made the USA better? Is it this independance that made the difference in WWII, the War on Terror, the challenge of Communism? What are the qualities of America that makes it stand out that it was all worthwhile?

(I put it this board, because the super heroes must be a part of the reason for America. Superman is American. Spiderman is American. Could these have come about in a Canada/America fusion?)

[MindofShadow]

Well considering the US became a modern day super power, if not the super power... Yes? Lol

[Carabas]

Well considering the US became a modern day super power, if not the super power... Yes? Lol

But has this been a good thing for the world as a whole?

[mojotastic]

But has this been a good thing for the world as a whole?

Some yes, like Latino America some no like the middle east.

[Cold Water]

But has this been a good thing for the world as a whole?

Not sure about that, but it really wasn't great for the Natives living on this land, when we came in and committed genocide in order to claim this land and start a nation.
Was it ours to even war over? No.

[MindofShadow]

Some yes, like Latino America some no like the middle east.

Would the middle east be any better with an imperialistic, super power UK?

[mojotastic]

Would the middle east be any better with an imperialistic, super power UK?

A lot of the countries in the middle east used have a monarchy, like Iran and the Sha.

[Kirby101]

Not sure about that, but it really wasn't great for the Natives living on this land, when we came in and committed genocide in order to claim this land and start a nation.
Was it ours to even war over? No.

Though the same thing happened when the Spanish, French and British were running things here. It was more a White European thing than just an American thing. The Spanish wiped out the entire native culture in Latin America for instance.

[MindofShadow]

A lot of the countries in the middle east used have a monarchy, like Iran and the Sha.

someones going to find excuses to go in for oil regardless of the super power

[mojotastic]

Though the same thing happened when the Spanish, French and British were running things here. It was more a White European thing than just an American thing. The Spanish wiped out the entire native culture in Latin America for instance.

I would not say a white european thing, it was just a Conqueror thing, one can see others cases like this in Africa and Asia, also the Spaniards didnt do a good job, there are still tribes in Latin America that managed to keep their ways, Bolivia and Peru are the best example, since their cities were in the mountain it was difficult to reach them.

[mojotastic]

someones going to find excuses to go in for oil regardless of the super power

Yeah if I am not mistaken it was the British who convince the Sha of Iran to give them oil in exchange of ??? i dont remember very well but after that Iran started to have problems.

[Kirby101]

I would not say a white european thing, it was just a Conqueror thing, one can see others cases like this in Africa and Asia, also the Spaniards didnt do a good job, there are still tribes in Latin America that managed to keep their ways, Bolivia and Peru are the best example, since their cities were in the mountain it was difficult to reach them.

Perhaps, but the point is it would have happened whether it was America or Britain or France.

As for the Spanish, it wasn't for lack of trying and the advanced cultures in Meso-America were destroyed.

[Cold Water]

Though the same thing happened when the Spanish, French and British were running things here. It was more a White European thing than just an American thing. The Spanish wiped out the entire native culture in Latin America for instance.

Yeah, I know. But we were specifically talking about the U.S.A.
We were not the first to have it occur, and we weren't the last.
Well, we may be the last since, you know, it's still occurring.

[Gray Lensman]

Considering that at the beginning of the Revolutionary period most of the colonists grievances were levied at Parliament it needs to be taken into account how the British themselves made things worse. Most Americans saw themselves as Englishman - and mistakenly thought they were due the same rights as someone who was living in England at the time. The fervor to leave picked up once they learned that England had other ideas.

[C_Miller]

Yeah, I know. But we were specifically talking about the U.S.A.
We were not the first to have it occur, and we weren't the last.
Well, we may be the last since, you know, it's still occurring.

Correct, but that's not a condemnation on the forming of the nation. It would have happened regardless. It's true, it would have been nice of the United States had been built as a Utopia of Liberty, freeing the slaves, building a nation with the Native population as well, enfranchising women from the get go, but that's not how history works. Like with everything, the forming of the United States was both good for the world and bad for the world. Nothing happens without positives and negatives and this is one of those things.