Magneto Finally Fesses Up to Being Xorn

[ZNOP]

And, still to this very day we don't know who's head it was that Logan cut off!!!

[IdaqiBeauty]

If they really are making Magneto into Xorn again, then they are making another huge retconning of the retconning of the retconning. They created Xorn as a well-defined character, then they retconned it into Mutanazi Magneto, and when they realized that it was a mistake to ruin both Xorn and Magneto in a single stroke, they retconned it again so that Xorn wasn't Magneto, but Xorn's evil twin. And now they are retconning it again, entangling continuity and making it even less comprehensible.

What is more, if Magneto is Xorn and Scott knows that (which means that Emma Frost and the Cuckoos and TeenJean and probably other X-Men know too), that not only morally defiles Magneto, but it also morally destroys the X-Men that have been pals with him for years since that, specially Cyclops, whose wife Jean he killed, and Emma and the Cuckoos, whose daughter/clon and whose sister Esme Xorn killed.

This is not brave, but the opposite; this is saying "nothing has impact, we can do whatever we want without acknowledging the consequences".

Magneto doesn't need to be Xorn to be "morally defiled." That was a given in the first place. Anyways, I'm sure all the others never believed Magneto, but Cyclops had to work with him during the Utopia era to restore the mutant race. That was far more important than dealing with old grudges. It's only now that it can ALL come out between the both of them.

[IdaqiBeauty]

I definitely don't want to start another flame war here but killing someone who is attacking you is not killing them in cold blood.

It wasn't self-defense because it wasn't a proportionate response.

[grinningdemon]

It wasn't self-defense because it wasn't a proportionate response.

He reacted to an attack...it may have been an overreaction (though that's debatable since Xavier was effectively trying to kill him or at least allow others to do it) but it's still not killing in cold blood.

[IdaqiBeauty]

He reacted to an attack...it may have been an overreaction (though that's debatable since Xavier was effectively trying to kill him or at least allow others to do it) but it's still not killing in cold blood.

Xavier was not trying to kill him.. Nor was Captain America. I won't let you blame the victim.

[grinningdemon]

Xavier was not trying to kill him.. Nor was Captain America. I won't let you blame the victim.

An arrow through the throat says different...or is that just the Avengers' way of saying hello?

[IdaqiBeauty]

An arrow through the throat says different.

Through the throat of the Phoenix.

[grinningdemon]

Through the throat of the Phoenix.

Oh please...trying to kill him doesn't count because he couldn't pull it off? What was an arrow through the throat meant to accomplish if not to kill him? Any way you look at it, there was no killing in cold blood there (unless that arrow had actually finished the job).

[IdaqiBeauty]

Oh please...trying to kill him doesn't count because he couldn't pull it off? What was an arrow through the throat meant to accomplish if not to kill him?

Shut him up.

[Habis]

Magneto doesn't need to be Xorn to be "morally defiled." That was a given in the first place. Anyways, I'm sure all the others never believed Magneto, but Cyclops had to work with him during the Utopia era to restore the mutant race. That was far more important than dealing with old grudges. It's only now that it can ALL come out between the both of them.

If they were willingly working and living with the man who killed Jean, who killed Esme, who intended to build crematoriums to dispose of the bodies of the humans he was going to kill en masse, who planned to provoke an extinction-level catastrophe that would kill most of the population of Earth, then the X-Men have no right to be angry at Acab or Red Skull or William Stryker, because they have embraced somebody who is so evil as them. They have lost the right to whine the next time somebody builds Sentinels or mutant death camps.

What is more, Xorneto killed people who were close to them. You have to be some kind of sociopath to become friends with the monster who killed your wife, your daughter, your sister, your friends, all in the name of "the cause".

[IdaqiBeauty]

If they were willingly working and living with the man who killed Jean, who killed Esme, who intended to build crematoriums to dispose of the bodies of the humans he was going to kill en masse, who planned to provoke an extinction-level catastrophe that would kill most of the population of Earth, then the X-Men have no right to be angry at Acab or Red Skull or William Stryker, because they have embraced somebody who is so evil as them. They have lost the right to whine the next time somebody builds Sentinels or mutant death camps.

What is more, Xorneto killed people who were close to them. You have to be some kind of sociopath to become friends with the monster who killed your wife, your daughter, your sister, your friends, all in the name of "the cause".

The X-Men had to become pragmatists. That's what the ten years between M-Day and AvX were about. But now that the crisis is over, it's time to get to brass tacks.

[grinningdemon]

Shut him up.

That's ridiculous...it is clear that they were more than willing to kill Scott in that fight...it's possible that Xavier himself wouldn't have done it but he's the most powerful telepath on earth so he certainly knew the others would...he was no innocent bystander.

[IdaqiBeauty]

That's ridiculous...it is clear that they were more than willing to kill Scott in that fight...it's possible that Xavier himself wouldn't have done it but he's the most powerful telepath on earth so he certainly knew the others would...he was no innocent bystander.

The Avengers were not there to kill Scott. I'm sure Storm and the other X-Men wanted to (as they always want to do), but Charles knew that they would have stopped themselves.

[grinningdemon]

The X-Men had to become pragmatists. That's what the ten years between M-Day and AvX were about. But now that the crisis is over, it's time to get to brass tacks.

If that were true, they should have just had it out entirely instead of a few cryptic comments that had to be explained by the writer after the fact...personally, I don't want Magneto to be Xorneto as Morrison wrote him horribly out of character...but, if you are going to say that he is, then you kind of need to explain how he got his head back.

[IdaqiBeauty]

If that were true, they should have just had it out entirely instead of a few cryptic comments that had to be explained by the writer after the fact...personally, I don't want Magneto to be Xorneto as Morrison wrote him horribly out of character...but, if you are going to say that he is, then you kind of need to explain how he got his head back.

Bendis already had Dr. Strange imply during House of M that Wanda brought him back. Anyway, I think Bendis is trying to make this new reader friendly, so he's gesturing at the continuity without having too much exposition.