The Forgotten & The Forsaken: Awesome characters sadly unremembered or demoted

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Amazing Spider-Man #324 Nov 1989
"Twos Day" The Assassin Nation Plot Part 5 of 6. Guest-starring Captain America, Silver Sable and Solo.
Back in New York City after his trip to Symkaria to stop the assassination of the king,
Spider-Man has tracked down an ULTIMATUM cell attempting to blow up Ellis Island.
He has webbed up the terrorists and demands answers from them.
One of the ULTIMATUM soldiers manages to pull his arm free
and is about to shoot the wall-crawler when suddenly Solo teleports into the room.

Spider-Man dodges the mercenaries shots. He is furious that Solo killed the soldiers, as his spider-sense warned him.
He also scolds Solo for pursuing his personal vendetta when America and Symkaria are on the brink of war
unless they can prove that the United States wasn't responsible for the assassination attempt on the king.
Solo admits that Spider-Man has a point, and he accepts the offer to help him, Silver Sable
and Captain America in tracking down the assassin, the mutant mercenary known as Sabretooth.
As Solo walks away, Spider-Man wonders why he didn't just teleport away,
frustrated about how little he knows about the mercenary.

Meanwhile, Silver Sable and Captain America are flying into Mexico
to follow up on a lead that could bring them closer to finding Sabretooth.
Sable is determined to kill the mutant, but Captain America reminds her that they need
him alive to testify and clear the United States of any involvement in the assassination plot.
They are air dropped over a jungle where they drop in on a group of mercinaries.
When Cap demands to know wher Sabretooth is, the mercinaries attack.
However, the pair easily incapacitates the soldiers and nab their leader,
who refuses to talk, knowing Captain America's morality will prevent him from harming his prisoner.
However, Silver Sable has no such compunctions and threatens to shoot him.
The leader of the bandits quickly changes his position, telling them that he can take them to Sabretooth.

Back in New York, Peter Parker has returned home to his wife to celebrate the fact that she landed the role on Secret Hospital.
Peter remarks that it's not much of a celebration as it involves ginger ale and late night television.
Mary Jane suggets that they have a real party once they move into their new loft.
Peter remarks how things are quickly changing, as after they move out,
only the Palmero's and Nathan Lubenski will be living in Aunt May's home.
The next morning, Spider-Man heads to the Metropolitan Museum, as part of his investigation into ULTIMATUM.
He meets with Solo and tells him that they are checking out the museum
as it is currently being renovated that is being funded by the Life Foundation.
He tells Solo about he and Paladin had previously discovered a connection between the Life Foundation and ULTIMATUM.
Solo doffs his disguise and is looking forward to clashing with ULTIMATUM again.
Spider-Man reminds Solo that they need ULTIMATUM's commanding officer, Major Weil, alive.

As Solo charges off, Spider-Man isn't sure who is worst: his enemies, or his allies.

While back in Mexico, Captain America and Silver Sable have managed to track down Sabretooth. The mutant assassin
has killed one of his minions as an example for the others for not following his orders during an artifact heist.
The mercenary who brought them there alerts Sabretooth and his men by starting a fire, spoiling the element of surprise.
While Captain America handles the other mercenaries, Silver Sable chases Sabretooth into a nearby temple.
Sabretooth has the advantage thanks to his enhanced speed and agility, and he manages to slash Sable a few times.
However, the woman notices that the walls of the temple are crumbling and tricks the feral mutant into crashing into one.
As she planned, the wall shatters, burying Sabretooth under tons of debris.
Captain America digs through the rubble and is disappointed to discover that Sabretooth is apparently dead.
Now the entire situation hinges on Spider-Man finding Toler Weil.

Back in New York, Spider-Man and Solo storm the Metropolitan Museum
where they are ambushed by ULTIMATUM soldiers hiding in suits of armor.
As Spider-Man is busy fighting the soldiers, Solo teleports into the other room to get at Weil.
Toler flees, leaving a Life Foundation representative alone with Solo.
Spider-Man manages to spot Weil trying to flee to a helicopter on the roof.
However, the terrorist pushes past a man working with an acetylene torch,
causing the fuel tank to explode, sending Toler falling off the roof.
Spider-Man manages to catch him, but this puts him at the mercy of Solo,
who orders him to let Weil go, or he will shoot them both.
However, Spider-Man refuses to let Solo kill the only person who can
testify that his country was not responsible for the assassination attempt.

Solo is impressed by Spider-Man's bravery and decides to spare him, this time, and teleports away.
Back at the Symkarian embassy, Captain America learns that while Weil is in custody, he is refusing to talk.
Spider-Man suggests that they find some other evidence to prove things.
Captain America points out that they need to do so soon as things are growing more volitile.
He explains that Symkaria has broken relations with the United States and death squads are mobilizing
to kill American officials in that country, and the threat of war looms even heavier on the horizon.

Script by David Michelinie. Pencils by Erik Larsen https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/12...y-erik-larsen/. Inks by Al Gordon.

[your_name_here]

Cloud 9
Gravity

Those two seemed to be rising stars in the 2000s, imo

[Electricmastro]

Charlotte Jones from X-Men #67 (September, 1997). Art by Carlos Pacheco.

[The One and Only]

Charlotte Jones from X-Men #67 (September, 1997). Art by Carlos Pacheco.

Wasn't she the gal pal of Warren Worthington III, a.k.a. Archangel at one point ?

On the subject of Gravity and his fast track to the Big Leagues. At one point, Marvel was looking at making the young hero the next one to take up the Captain Marvel mantle. But editorial gears shifted ,and it went to Carol Danvers instead.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Amazing Spider-Man #323 Nov 1989
"Assault Rivals" The Assassin Nation Plot Part 4 of 6. Guest-starring Captain America, Silver Sable and Solo.
In the sewers beneath Paris, France, agents of the terrorist organization
known as ULTIMATUM are attempting to blow up the famed Arc Du Triomphe.
However, their operation is interrupted when the anti-terrorist mercenary known as Solo teleports in on them.
Solo guns down all of the soldiers but one. He demands that the terrorist give him the location of his commander Toler Weil.

With his life on the line, the terrorist buckles and tells Solo that he can find Weil in Symkaria.
With the information he needs, Solo tosses a grenade at the terrorist.

Announcing that while he lives, terror dies, Solo teleports away as the grenade explodes.

Meanwhile, in Symkaria, the country is reeling after the assassination of Vivian, the woman who was to marry King Stefan.
With the CIA potentially implicated in the attack on the royal palace by ULTIMATUM,
the ambassador of the United States heads to the palace in a limo to answer to the allegations.
As they approach the palace, the vehicle is pelted with tomatoes by the angry citizenry.
Inside the palace, the Ambassador Hawthorne is introduced to acting Prime Minister Alphonse Gallatik
who then takes Henry to see Silver Sable who is investigating the murders.
They are surprised to see Spider-Man with Silver Sable, but things quickly turn to business at hand.
She briefs Hawthorne on Silver Sable International's investigation into American groups like
the Life Organization, who are somehow involved in a plot to assassinate the king of Symkaria.
After the ULTIMATUM attack the day before, Sable found a panadoxin pill that points to the CIA also possibly being involved.
She warns the ambassador that should they find proof of CIA involvement there will be stiff reprisals from her country.
The ambassador assures her that America is an ally of Symkaria, however, Sable points out
past partnerships between the United States and nations it now considers enemies.
When Spider-Man suggests they should focus their energies on finding the assassin,
the ambassador tells Spider-Man to butt out, due to his vigilante status in the United States.

Angered by this, Spider-Man decides to go outside where he addresses the news crews camped outside of the palace.
On live television, Spider-Man tells them that his activities in Symkaria are
not intended to embarrass the United States and that he is being a model citizen.
He also uses the opportunity to send a veiled message to his wife Mary Jane to let her know that he is fine.
The report is watched by Aunt May, Nathan Lubenski and Mary Jane.
Seeing this report prompts Mary Jane to tell May that Peter called to let them know that he is okay.
However, Spider-Man's interview with the media is cut short when the press
is made aware that Captain America is being parachuted into the country.
Cap is swarmed by the press who ask him if he is here in his capacity as an Avenger or to help the CIA.
All the star-spangled Avenger can tell them is that he is here to do the right thing.
Also watching this development are the members of ULTIMATUM.
Major Weil orders his men to mobilize and prepare for the worst.
As they go about their duty, Weil begins planning his own escape strategy.

Soon, Captain America is brought in for a strategy meeting and Spider-Man is forced to wait outside.
The wall-crawler considers heading home, as he is tired of being looked at as nothing more than hired help.
However, when the others emerge from their private meeting, Captain America vouches for Spider-Man and his involvement.
With files from the CIA, Captain America informs them that ULTIMATUM has set up operations on the Symkaria/Latverian
border and that they are planning a strike so they can find the real assassin and absolve the United States of any responsibility.
Silver Sable also informs Spider-Man that his contract has been fulfilled and that he can go home if he wants.
However, Spider-Man's sense of responsibility prevents him from turning his back on the rest of this mission.
The Wild Pack, Cap and Spider-Man are dropped near the ski lodge where ULTIMATUM is set up.
As they prepare to attack, Captain America asks Spider-Man what his motivation is,
and is proud to hear that Spider-Man is joining the operation for the sake of his own country.
Suddenly, they are ambushed by ULTIMATUM soldiers hiding in the snow.
While Spider-Man and the others are busy fighting the guards outside,
Major Weil realizes that his operation is a failure and makes preparations to blow up his hideout and escape.

However, before he can do so, Solo teleports into the room. Before the mercenary can kill Weil, he is surrounded by guards.
This gives the Major a chance to make a break for his escape vehicle. Solo manages to catch up,
but before he can gun down Weil, Spider-Man and his allies come crashing through the wall.
Spotting Solo, Captain America hits him with his shield. This allows Major Weil to make hie escape.
Solo is furious at their interference, pointing out that Weil is a top ULTIMATUM official. Having heard about Solo's activities,

Captain America expresses his dissatisfaction with the mercenary's methods.
Learning about the communications room, Spider-Man doubles back
and webs up an ULTIMATUM operation and demand that he give them the access codes.
He refuses, but Silver Sable manages to get the information out of him.
As the ULTIMATUM agents are being arrested, Solo teleports away leaving Spider-Man,
Silver Sable and Captain America go over the records they pulled from the computer.
They are surprised to learn that the assassin that was hired was the mutant killer known as Sabretooth.
They all agree that in order to clear the United States of any wrong doing they must find Sabretooth alive and force him to testify.
That's when one of the Wild Pack informs Silver Sable that the American ambassador has been
recalled due to death threats, and there is some real fear that this may be a precursor to war.

Script by David Michelinie. Art by Todd McFarlane.

And later they made Solo a Sterling Archer knock off, because Punisher kills terrorists every other Friday.

[TheRay]

Is the original Miss America still alive in 616?

Her last appearance was as a reanimated corpse. So, she is dead.

[phantombassist]

ian rogers.jpg

I will defend Ian Rogers as Nomad to my dying breath. The character was a perfect set up for a character that takes inspiration, but does not straight up copy, Captain America's philosophy. A man born in a faraway dimension that ultimately leaves to traverse the multiverse, defending those lost and without a home (Be they refugees, prisoners, homeless, or dimensionally displaced). He embodies how the rest of us can make a difference by living up to the ideals Cap represents. Plus Ian's personality is the perfect mix of Cap's empathy, WW2 Bucky's hod headedness, and Winter Soldier's combat prowess.

[Nighthawk]

Wes Cassady (bunnyman) from Amazing Spider-Man 302 needs to come back !!

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Wes_Cassady_(Earth-616)

[j9ac9k]

The Black Knight and Paladin:

I know Dane's had some appearances, and we'll likely see him again soon since he'll be in the Eternals film, but he really held down the Avengers back in the day. And Paladin is the classic in-it-for-the-money badboy who's not all bad, which always makes him interesting in terms of where his allegiance lies in any given situation.

[ChrisIII]

Wasn't she the gal pal of Warren Worthington III, a.k.a. Archangel at one point ?

On the subject of Gravity and his fast track to the Big Leagues. At one point, Marvel was looking at making the young hero the next one to take up the Captain Marvel mantle. But editorial gears shifted ,and it went to Carol Danvers instead.

Yeah, along with Stevie Hunter, Tom, Sharon, Lee Forrester etc. they were kind of major X-men supporting humans during the 80s but once Claremont left they largely were kind of ignored, made more infrequent appearances or were killed off.

[JudicatorPrime]

Her last appearance was as a reanimated corpse. So, she is dead.

Thanks. I wasn't sure if someone had maybe retconned her death during childbirth by making a clone from her placenta or something. You never know with today's writers.

[TheRay]

Any writer could do something like that. From any year.

[Digifiend]

Cloud 9
Gravity

Those two seemed to be rising stars in the 2000s, imo

Cloud 9 was listed on the Champions Reinforcement Roster in the 2019 Champions #1, but nobody on that list ever showed up in the book, likely due to it being cancelled at #10. And she cameoed in the last issue of Bendis's Iron Man, as part of the Da Vinci SHIELD project that no other writer picked up. So she's twice in the last couple of years been a victim of writers leaving books before they had chance to use her.

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Machine Man #12 Dec 1979
"Where Walk the Gods!" Introduction of the Ethicals [Kora, Akra and three others].
Machine Man is accused of plotting to destroy the Earth!



Will the verdict be...death?!
NOTE: The Ethicals do not not actually take the name 'the Ethicals' until their next appearance in Quasar 14.

Written by Marv Wolfman. Art by Steve Ditko.

[Holt]

Yeah, along with Stevie Hunter, Tom, Sharon, Lee Forrester etc. they were kind of major X-men supporting humans during the 80s but once Claremont left they largely were kind of ignored, made more infrequent appearances or were killed off.

Has Peter Corbeau been in anything lately?