DC Media: TV Shows, Animated Movies and Video Games

[Morgoth]

It's really funny to see how many defenders this game for some reason has on Twitter.
I saw people, who literally complain, that "people are trying to limit superhero games to singleplayer games only", and that "nobody will want to make superhero games anymore". Someone even said, that hate for this game is killing the industry. Lol.

[Venomized-spider-man]

Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League ‘Has Fallen Short of Our Expectations’, Warner Bros. Says

Goddam it did not make it pass the shortest month. At least Marvel Avengers had 31 days to decline to 720 concurrent players rn

no fucking **** WB you're literally 8 years too late and 4 years behind to bomb

and for all those unforgivable amount of people still on twitter and r/DCcomic getting the defensive (over a game i know they didn't play)

They have four seasons but two of them introduce worthless OCs that no one is going to care about or come back for: Lawless (Deadshot’s daughter) and a Victoria Freeze (gender bent Mr. Freeze). Everyone was mocking Joker, maybe they won’t even come back for him, and the one character who would get peoples interested in Deathstroke isn’t due to show up until the last season. But they kinda have to put out the seasons because they’re supposed to be resurrecting and redeeming one Leaguer per season. If they don’t put those seasons out… the Arkhamverse JL all stay dead. Granted no one would care if the rest of them stayed dead but they’re not leaving Arkham Batman dead to a headshot by Harley Quinn.

It honestly pathetic how they thought people would want to play another fucking Deadshot over any other DC supervillain. Like they were trying to outdo Marvel avenger 2 hawkeyes fiasco. Female Mrs. Freeze is a cool concept but when your entire Suicide Squad roster is just batman after batman after batman villain it come off a tasteless & bland

It doesn't even matter at this point of bring back the JL come how they literally spit on them and that what everyone will remember and know the game is about; Batman getting shot in the face by Harley not Batman coming back in year late DLC

It will just reek of "No guys please don't go i just kidding"

[Drako]

They have four seasons but two of them introduce worthless OCs that no one is going to care about or come back for: Lawless (Deadshot’s daughter) and a Victoria Freeze (gender bent Mr. Freeze). Everyone was mocking Joker, maybe they won’t even come back for him, and the one character who would get peoples interested in Deathstroke isn’t due to show up until the last season. But they kinda have to put out the seasons because they’re supposed to be resurrecting and redeeming one Leaguer per season. If they don’t put those seasons out… the Arkhamverse JL all stay dead. Granted no one would care if the rest of them stayed dead but they’re not leaving Arkham Batman dead to a headshot by Harley Quinn.

Does it matter if they are all dead, tho? This Justice League already proved to incompetent anyways, the universe they built is already screwd, better start from scratch if they will attempt to do another Super hero game.

Also, this is wild, but there is more people playing Gotham Knights right now than Suicide Squad on Steam.

[Godlike13]

Some lessons I hope Warner take from this:

1) people don't like live service games

2) people don't like the Suicide Squad nearly as much as you want them to

3) people don't hate the Justice League as much as you do

4) live service games suck and stop doing them


But it's Warner. They'll probably think the problem was not enough Batman.

Here's the problem with 1 and 4, Helldivers 2 is one of the most popular games in the world right now. So thats not really true. The real issue is a lack of awareness of their audience and what it is that drives people to their characters. SS would have been a far better recepted game if it wasn't a SS game and it wasn't coming from a studio known for a its story driven single player games.

[Frontier]

I think the only really well-received Suicide Squad content was, Assault on Arkham, Hell to Pay and The Suicide Squad.

[Morgoth]

The thing is, people initially made it clear, that they want something different. They wanted Superman game, or Justice League/Flash/Green Lantern, thank God we have Wonder Woman game at very least. The fact, that WB gutted Batman Beyond/Batman in Bethlehem game starring Damian, because they wanted another live service in Gotham Knights made it even worse. Marvel understood the notion, and now they have tons of single player games starring their biggest IPs (Spider-Man, Wolverine, X-Men, Venom, Iron Man, Black Panther, Blade) in development.
DC needs the same.

[Godlike13]

The thing is, people initially made it clear, that they want something different. They wanted Superman game, or Justice League/Flash/Green Lantern, thank God we have Wonder Woman game at very least. The fact, that WB gutted Batman Beyond/Batman in Bethlehem game starring Damian, because they wanted another live service in Gotham Knights made it even worse. Marvel understood the notion, and now they have tons of single player games starring their biggest IPs (Spider-Man, Wolverine, X-Men, Venom, Iron Man, Black Panther, Blade) in development.
DC needs the same.

Marvel rents out their ips. They themselves don't produce games. Which lets Sony give us Spider-Man, but then also lets Square Enix give us Marvel Avengers. The live service game that all other live services now indirectly pay for. Not too mention flops like the Guardians game (which was quite good nonetheless) and Midnight Suns.

[El_Gato]

Does it matter if they are all dead, tho? This Justice League already proved to incompetent anyways, the universe they built is already screwd, better start from scratch if they will attempt to do another Super hero game.

Also, this is wild, but there is more people playing Gotham Knights right now than Suicide Squad on Steam.

It that SS didn’t utterly bomb, but I wouldn’t use Steam charts to make a point. MK1 routinely gets beaten by SF6 and TK8 yet the former outsold both those games and continues to do so. But yeah, SS is an utter disaster and about 6 year too late

[Drako]

It that SS didn’t utterly bomb, but I wouldn’t use Steam charts to make a point. MK1 routinely gets beaten by SF6 and TK8 yet the former outsold both those games and continues to do so. But yeah, SS is an utter disaster and about 6 year too late

Tekken 8 was released just two weeks ago, so it's natural that more people are playing it right now.

However, there's a significant difference between being overshadowed by the two biggest competitors, in the case of SF6 and TK8, which are also great games, and being overshadowed by Gotham Knights in the same month the your game was released.

[Venomized-spider-man]

It that SS didn’t utterly bomb, but I wouldn’t use Steam charts to make a point. MK1 routinely gets beaten by SF6 and TK8 yet the former outsold both those games and continues to do so. But yeah, SS is an utter disaster and about 6 year too late

ok then how do we judge the sales of the game then? Even the Playstation 5 download report tell how Persona 3 outsold SSKJ by a margin

We can't disregard Steam Charts especially since it a Live service game it a game that demands people to continuously be playing and buying from the store on a weekly and consistent bases. The MK doesn't even work as when the all time peak for that game is 26k and had a consistent 5k player till the drop in the new year they had a good start compare that to SSKJ measly 12k at launch

also where did you get the MK1 is beating SKF6? just a quick search show they both sold three million copies

[Leancarp900]

It that SS didn’t utterly bomb, but I wouldn’t use Steam charts to make a point. MK1 routinely gets beaten by SF6 and TK8 yet the former outsold both those games and continues to do so. But yeah, SS is an utter disaster and about 6 year too late

Mortal Kombat mainly sells on consoles rather than PC.

Some lessons I hope Warner take from this:

1) people don't like live service games

2) people don't like the Suicide Squad nearly as much as you want them to

3) people don't hate the Justice League as much as you do

4) live service games suck and stop doing them


But it's Warner. They'll probably think the problem was not enough Batman.

Assuming they survive, Rocksteady will just pivot towards making another Batman game.

That's what happened with Bioware after Anthem (returned to Dragon Age and Mass Effect) and Crystal Dynamics after Avengers (returned to Tomb Raider).

[Mantis-Ray]

The thing with Suicide Squad is even the bad story aside, the actual game itself is very poorly constructed on multiple levels.

Like if anyone is willing to spend the time to watch Skill Up's very well-made review of the game (its 45:44 minutes), he goes into detail how fundamentally flawed it is from a combat perspective, level design, mission design, progression and loot acquisition.



Helldivers 2 was mentioned here, that game is exquisitely well-crafted with combat and mechanics that work and that are well designed and work perfectly. By contrast Suicide Squad botches everything it tries to do except the traversal.

[Mantis-Ray]

ok then how do we judge the sales of the game then? Even the Playstation 5 download report tell how Persona 3 outsold SSKJ by a margin

We can't disregard Steam Charts especially since it a Live service game it a game that demands people to continuously be playing and buying from the store on a weekly and consistent bases. The MK doesn't even work as when the all time peak for that game is 26k and had a consistent 5k player till the drop in the new year they had a good start compare that to SSKJ measly 12k at launch

also where did you get the MK1 is beating SKF6? just a quick search show they both sold three million copies

Think of it like a relative thing. If say Persona 3 sold 100k copies on release, Suicide Squad selling 150k copies does mean it technically did better.

But see WB has specific sales numbers in how much it wants Suicide Squad to do. So even if it is the best-selling game of the week, they would still find those sales disappointing because they wanted Suicide Squad to make a 1 million copies not a 100k.

Its like how Square Enix labeled their Hitman and Tomb Raider games failures because they only sold 3 million copies out of a required 5 million sales goal.

[Drako]

Well, Persona is a very niched game, while SS was made to appeal to the general audience. Additionally, the budget for each game is very different. You can probably make like 2 or more Persona games with the SS budget i imagine.

We also don't know the sales numbers for SS, but Persona 3 Reloaded sold a million copies in the first week and is the fastest-selling title in all of Atlus' game history.

https://twitter.com/MbKKssTBhz5/stat...97942653923502

[Robotman]

Mortal Kombat mainly sells on consoles rather than PC.



Assuming they survive, Rocksteady will just pivot towards making another Batman game.

That's what happened with Bioware after Anthem (returned to Dragon Age and Mass Effect) and Crystal Dynamics after Avengers (returned to Tomb Raider).

Oh most definitely they will make another Batman game if they survive. While it doesn’t excite me, it would just make sense from a business perspective.

If it’s the Damien Batman 666 game I’d play the hell out of that. As long as it’s not live service.