DC Media: TV Shows, Animated Movies and Video Games

[Psy-lock]

Considering what they did with Tolkien lore for their video games, I wonder what'll they do with WW? Oh boy.

Considering what other major franchises (DCAU, Injustice) did to her lore I doubt there's anything this game can do that would shock us

[Vordan]

Considering what other major franchises (DCAU, Injustice) did to her lore I doubt there's anything this game can do that would shock us

Injustice set the bar in Hell quality wise for video game Wonder Woman

[Lukmendes]

I think if it were Donna then they would've used Dark Angel and changed her origin.

With Cassie, I can easily see them having Ares join The Light and blackmail Cassie.

I still have my doubts about Dark Angel being used if Donna was gonna be in season 1, but I guess an evil personality would work better in making a possible secret stand out from the others.

And yeah, I think Ares would probably be the best choice among Diana's big villains to be part of The Light, Barbara lacks resources, and Circe is made redundant by Klarion, I guess Ares could replace Orm if he were to be part of The Light in season 1, 'cause fuck Orm, aside from letting the rest of The Light know where Starro was (Which I doubt would be that difficult to find), he did jack shit.

But with how everything dealing with Cassie has been openly revealed outside of the show I dont really think Greg/Brandon are interested in her or the Wonders. Her relationship with Tim happened largely off screen and Greg confirmed on twitter that they broke up even though it was never stated (to my memory) on screen

They essentially broke up in season 3's first episode, with Cassie trying to make the relationship work, while Tim doesn't talk to her b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶v̶o̶i̶c̶e̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶o̶r̶ ̶i̶s̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶.̶

and we all know how he feels about revealing things that havent been on screen or in a game/comic.

Well, there's stuff that was revealed off-screen and eventually showed up, though it takes a while, like Mary Marvel being part of the Team at all, took forever but that was finally mentioned here, with implications that something tragic happened.

Since Donna joined the team "offscreen" inbetween S1/2...I still dont understand why they havent done anything with her since she was technically on the "OG" S1 team, just off screen....

YJ wiki says she took a while to join, in 2012, when the Team was formed in 2010...

And honestly, not being in the first episodes means the characters struggle to be relevant, Rocket joined at season 1's end, making her be part of the "OG" team, but didn't do much afterwards, Zatanna has it better, but not by that much.

Oh well, since Dinna decided to quit being a hero, there's basically no chance of her doing stuff, maybe a flashback could reveal something, but I really doubt that... Only Cassie has a chance and I doubt it's that high lol.

[Frontier]

I'd like to see them mention Zatanna's mother because they've never addressed her on the show. The only time Sindella's come up in a media adaption was DCSHG where she had an unnamed cameo abandoning Zatanna on her birthday (yeah...).

[Lukmendes]

I'd like to see them mention Zatanna's mother because they've never addressed her on the show. The only time Sindella's come up in a media adaption was DCSHG where she had an unnamed cameo abandoning Zatanna on her birthday (yeah...).

Does Zatanna's mother even tend to play a role in Zatanna's life on the comics? Even something like Zatanna thinking of her at random lol.

[John Venus]

Which is a shame, because while Zatara himself is really cool, Sindella has a cool backstory as well and potentially even richer one. Her being full blooded Homo Magi is heavily implied to be a huge part of why Zatanna herself is powerful.

[AJpyro]

Im going to agree. Zatanna feels very small in her arc. I appreciate Greg explaining the world more and showig there's alot of adventures we don't see but ya know, keep it close.

[John Venus]

Does Zatanna's mother even tend to play a role in Zatanna's life on the comics? Even something like Zatanna thinking of her at random lol.

Zatanna's mother is named Sindella and is from the Hidden City; a hidden society of magical beings who live in a hidden civilization located north of Turkey. John Zatara met her after a big superhero battle after which she nursed him back to health. Sindella was born with the Medulla Gem which meant she was basically a glorified power source for her people. She ran away with Zatara and settles down in America. A few years later, Zatanna is born. Sindella seemingly died in an automobile accident not long afterwards.

However, years later, both Zatanna and Zatara learn than Sindella is alive and was only kidnapped by her people. Sindella contacts Zatanna since she also inherited the Medulla Jewel (in the process Zatanna begins to dress and act like her mother as well) and because Sindella wants to protect her daughter from her own people. So the Zataras and the JL travel to the Hidden City to try and save Sindella whose been locked away in a tower. The adventure goes bust and Sindella dies in Zatanna's arms after using the last bit of her power to protect her and the League. The story itself is kind of weird and not that well executed but the ideas were intriguing which why I would love to see a writer do a modernized take on the story. This Zatanna centric story arc was also the first mention of the Homo Magi and there was even an explanation of how the 'Magi Gene' was non dominant thus a few generation of intermingling with humans would essentially wipe out the Magi gene. Hence why all the magic people secluded themselves in hidden societies in order to preserve their power and species.

I think latter stories called her Atlantean but neither she nor Zatanna ever showed Atlantean traits, I think that could easily be interpreted as her people came from Atlantis and Atlantis was originally the Mecca for all magic users before it sank. It is annoying that we finally get a mention of the Homo Magi and it's in a scene that has nothing to do with Zatanna and that the actual Atlantean characters like Arion are only used to prop up Vandal Savage. Arion is from the comics and was involved in the sinking of Atlantis but was not related to Savage. They are essentially just using people's ignorance of the more obscure bits of the DCU canon to give other characters feats and achievements to Savage and Klarion.

[Lukmendes]

Im going to agree. Zatanna feels very small in her arc. I appreciate Greg explaining the world more and showig there's alot of adventures we don't see but ya know, keep it close.

So far it's not even her arc, it's Klarion's and Vandal's lol.

Zatanna's mother is named Sindella and is from the Hidden City; a hidden society of magical beings who live in a hidden civilization located north of Turkey. John Zatara met her after a big superhero battle after which she nursed him back to health. Sindella was born with the Medulla Gem which meant she was basically a glorified power source for her people. She ran away with Zatara and settles down in America. A few years later, Zatanna is born. Sindella seemingly died in an automobile accident not long afterwards.

However, years later, both Zatanna and Zatara learn than Sindella is alive and was only kidnapped by her people. Sindella contacts Zatanna since she also inherited the Medulla Jewel (in the process Zatanna begins to dress and act like her mother as well) and because Sindella wants to protect her daughter from her own people. So the Zataras and the JL travel to the Hidden City to try and save Sindella whose been locked away in a tower. The adventure goes bust and Sindella dies in Zatanna's arms after using the last bit of her power to protect her and the League. The story itself is kind of weird and not that well executed but the ideas were intriguing which why I would love to see a writer do a modernized take on the story. This Zatanna centric story arc was also the first mention of the Homo Magi and there was even an explanation of how the 'Magi Gene' was non dominant thus a few generation of intermingling with humans would essentially wipe out the Magi gene. Hence why all the magic people secluded themselves in hidden societies in order to preserve their power and species.

Huh, I read the story now and yeah, the ideas from it were far better than the execution.

I was scratching my head at Sindella deciding to make Zatanna change her costume, so Zatanna is dressed like her, one of those "Okay, but why?" moments lol.

Surprising it was done by Gerry Conway too.

If a modern take of it were to be done, this lil' detail here would definitely not be included:



(JLA#165)

'Cause really, aside from how this is wrong for so many reasons, this is straight up a porn plot lol.

I think latter stories called her Atlantean but neither she nor Zatanna ever showed Atlantean traits, I think that could easily be interpreted as her people came from Atlantis and Atlantis was originally the Mecca for all magic users before it sank.

Huh, guess that could work.

It is annoying that we finally get a mention of the Homo Magi and it's in a scene that has nothing to do with Zatanna and that the actual Atlantean characters like Arion are only used to prop up Vandal Savage. Arion is from the comics and was involved in the sinking of Atlantis but was not related to Savage. They are essentially just using people's ignorance of the more obscure bits of the DCU canon to give other characters feats and achievements to Savage and Klarion.

And it's real fucking ironic they use people's ignorance to make such silly changes, 'cause YJ's story telling can at times be really lazy and have to rely on the viewer to know comics to understand what's going on and why certain events are important, and at the same time, it makes such changes for the sake of it.

I admitedly don't know that much about Atlantis or Homo Magi, and I still thought it was pretty fucking dumb to connect everything with Vandal this much, the motherfucker is already the first one to have the meta gene, why does he need more? Let the world have stuff that is unrelated to him, guy's basically Ultimate Cap right now.

Either way, checking out some issues published at the time, it's surprising they gave an actual explanation why Supes is more vulnerable to magic, and some other explanations about it:





(DC Comics Presents#18)

While "Magic from the magic dimension" is somehow even stupider than Cyclops' "Punches from the punch dimension" (And at least that one has a silly charm to it), the explanation that only people who have Homo Magi ancestry can use magic, and even then they have to reinforce it by doing incantations and whatnot is actually alright.

Supes' explanation about his vulnerability, it works well enough, but they'd have to explain why other species are less vulnerable than him, but hey, the idea of it is a start at least.

Learning these things about Zatanna today, now her situation in YJ is even more depressing, Weisman specifically reinforced that Zatanna is Giovanni's daughter 'cause having a parent who's a super hero is not exactly common, and using that was fun, but this stuff about Zatanna's mother is fun too, and Sindella doesn't even get an indirect mention... And again, so far these episodes that should be focusing around her are actually about Vandal and Klarion so far, and while developing other characters even when it should be more about others is fine (Like how Garfield got a really big drama in M'Gann's/Conner's episodes, but M'Gann still got plenty of development and Conner at least got to play detective), Zatanna didn't get much beyond briefly teaching the others...

[Robanker]

Which is a shame, because while Zatara himself is really cool, Sindella has a cool backstory as well and potentially even richer one. Her being full blooded Homo Magi is heavily implied to be a huge part of why Zatanna herself is powerful.

Zatara is so underutilized in DC it kind of hurts.

[AJpyro]

Sad thing is that this neat backstory is never gonna see adaptations. Not even in that JLD thing Abrams may still be doing.

[Frontier]

I enjoy Zatanna and her dad's relationship but it is kind of weird in hindsight how little her mom is relevant.

[Immortal Weapon]

Reading that backstory I can see why. It feels needlessly convoluted.

[Thezmage]

I see what you're saying, but I also kind of disagree. Sometimes connecting things that seem like they would go together actually makes things more interesting. I've always felt that the DCU could do with more intercharacter connectivity. For example, shouldn't the Aquaman and Wonderwoman corners of the DCU crossover more than they do? They are both built around royalty from protoGreek societies, that are hidden away in modern times. Another example, isn't it weird that the cosmic forces behind the Lantern rings, and the cosmic forces behind the Green, and the Red in Swamp Thing are both color-coded? Why is that? I'm not saying everything should be connected but it makes for interesting character interactions if a lot of them are. For example, in Greek Myth, Hippolyta is a daughter of Ares, and in some versions of the DCU The Atlantian royal family is descendants of Poseidon. That would make Diana and Aquaman distant cousins.

Sometimes having limitation gives a thing more story potential, sometimes being to vague can actually hurt a work of fiction.

The word that I think you're overusing is "sometimes." Sometimes the connections are good and expand things. Sometimes they don't. Atlantis and Themyscira having a lot of interactions and having representatives on the UN is good. Uniting the lantern rings with the realms of the Green, the Red, the Rot, the Clear, etc because they happen to have two colors in common does not.

Usually I love seeing writers tie in things that weren't originally related but Young Justice overdoes it. A lot. Does it add anything to make Beast Boy's power the result of M'gann donating blood? (the show runners have already started walking this back) To make every villain and every young hero part of the same two groups? to make Vandal Savage the ancestor of everything slightly interesting in the DC universe? It makes their world seem small aand less interesting to me.

[Rac7d*]

Zatara is so underutilized in DC it kind of hurts.

Since his daughter is a grown woman he would be a bit old no ?