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[Lukmendes]

But she's probably nowhere near as effective as she was when she was using the full powers, because she was basically a female Billy.

Oh yeah, she would be doing much better if she used her powers during the Klarion battle, all she did there was buff Zatanna and get choked.

Thinking of it, that makes me wonder if she can buff other characters while she's transformed... Probably not though, since all the powers will be active in her at once.

Oh yeah, and you mentioned this before:

Yeah, he was with Barry when they tried to stop a prison break. He's "Shazam" now, so apparently something happened to the Wizard.

What episode said this? Or was that something Weisman said at random? YJ wiki makes no mention of this.

[Frontier]

What episode said this? Or was that something Weisman said at random? YJ wiki makes no mention of this.

[Lukmendes]

I meant something happening with the wizard, when that one was mentioned.

[Frontier]

I meant something happening with the wizard, when that one was mentioned.

I think Greg said it was a SPOILER reason why Billy was going by Shazam now and not just for corporate reasons, which indicates something may have happened to the Wizard.

[Immortal Weapon]

Considering they're showing Vandal's needlessly convoluted background story here, Zatanna's mother's isn't that bad lol.

Vandal Savage is an active player of the story being told. Zee's mom isn't significant enough of a character to make the story matter.

[Primal Slayer]

Gotham Knights show in development for the CW

How many shows can one do set in Gotham with Batman missing/dead and likely next to no classic Batfam characters showing up? Why not just develop a Batman Beyond show with old man Bruce who cant suit up?

[Frontier]

Vandal Savage is an active player of the story being told. Zee's mom isn't significant enough of a character to make the story matter.

Yeah, but it's supposed to be Zee's arc.

How many shows can one do set in Gotham with Batman missing/dead and likely next to no classic Batfam characters showing up? Why not just develop a Batman Beyond show with old man Bruce who cant suit up?

Might have to do with all those rumors of a Batman Beyond movie.

[Lukmendes]

I think Greg said it was a SPOILER reason why Billy was going by Shazam now and not just for corporate reasons, which indicates something may have happened to the Wizard.

Huh, had forgotten he went by Captain Marvel in YJ lol.

Wonder if that'll be touched in this season, with the Vandal/Klarion focus right now, maybe not in those episodes... Maybe Kaldur'ahm's episode might say something about it? Atlantis does use magic at least.

Vandal Savage is an active player of the story being told. Zee's mom isn't significant enough of a character to make the story matter.

It can matter if the episodes are supposed to focus on Zatanna and her background story, not unlike how we were seeing more of Artemis' story with Jade in the episodes before these Vandal/Klarion focused ones.

How many shows can one do set in Gotham with Batman missing/dead and likely next to no classic Batfam characters showing up? Why not just develop a Batman Beyond show with old man Bruce who cant suit up?

Probably because them they'd have to not use Batman's classic villains, since Batman Beyond avoids all of that, plus maybe they don't want to use the cyber punk setting.

Yeah, but it's supposed to be Zee's arc.

Unfortunately, "supposed to"... Maybe Fate being around can let her do more, but then her story would only be talking about her relationship with her father...

[Frontier]

Huh, had forgotten he went by Captain Marvel in YJ lol.

Wonder if that'll be touched in this season, with the Vandal/Klarion focus right now, maybe not in those episodes... Maybe Kaldur'ahm's episode might say something about it? Atlantis does use magic at least.

I think it'll have to if they have to explain why Mary won't transform anymore (which will, presumably, lead into her transforming again).

It can matter if the episodes are supposed to focus on Zatanna and her background story, not unlike how we were seeing more of Artemis' story with Jade in the episodes before these Vandal/Klarion focused ones.

Even in M'Gann's arc we got to meet both of her parents.

[Mai Zen]

Huh, had forgotten he went by Captain Marvel in YJ lol.

Wonder if that'll be touched in this season, with the Vandal/Klarion focus right now, maybe not in those episodes... Maybe Kaldur'ahm's episode might say something about it? Atlantis does use magic at least.



It can matter if the episodes are supposed to focus on Zatanna and her background story, not unlike how we were seeing more of Artemis' story with Jade in the episodes before these Vandal/Klarion focused ones.



Probably because them they'd have to not use Batman's classic villains, since Batman Beyond avoids all of that, plus maybe they don't want to use the cyber punk setting.



Unfortunately, "supposed to"... Maybe Fate being around can let her do more, but then her story would only be talking about her relationship with her father...

There are Child threats, Gathering of Sentinels of Magic to counter the coming new Lord of Chaos, her relation to the proteges, the magic world and community there, bit of her backstory even

[Lukmendes]

-"Dude, why are you explaining stuff that I already know about, are you actually explaining it to someone else? And why are you referring to yourself in third person?"

"Shut up son and keep listening."

Y'know, now that I think of it, Vandal rambling about things Nabu already knew shows Vandal's age, he's doing the classic old man thing of telling stories just because, eventually he'll reach this point:



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I think it'll have to if they have to explain why Mary won't transform anymore (which will, presumably, lead into her transforming again).

I doubt they'll let her transform and more or less be part of the Team, YJ avoids putting characters who are too big power houses in it on-screen, to the point Superboy is heavily nerfed compared to his comics version, the toughest ones we have are Blue Beetle and M'Gann, and Blue Beetle had the whole Scarab drama while M'Gann in season 1 was inexperienced, while in season 2 she was less involved.

Hell, I remember hearing that Supergirl was planned to be in season 3, but they decided against adding her 'cause she wouldn't matter much to the plot (And considering how many characters we had in season 3, that was a good idea), but I also think that she's not around because a Kryptonian on the Team would be too much, only way I see that happening is if they excuse that her powers aren't that strong since she hasn't been on Earth for long, so either she's like Conner and lacks stuff like flight, heat vision, superspeed and super breath/ice breath, or she has all the powers but far weaker.

It's also funny to realize how M'Gann's presence had a "This is a job for Aquaman" cliché, 'cause telepathy was constantly used since normal communications could be spied on, and that made Psimon only be around to counter M'Gann, and once she became less involved, he showed up less too (Though that was kinda excused with M'Gann fucking him over in a battle that happened off-screen), and now communications aren't spied on to the point that when Artemis went to Santa Prisca in recent episodes, no one spied when Oracle was communicating with Artemis.

Even in M'Gann's arc we got to meet both of her parents.

Yeah, it wouldn't be that complicated to introduce the story of Zatanna's mother even if they adapted it to be closer to the comics, just show Giovanni's battle with whoever he was fighting, then him being healed by C̶i̶n̶d̶e̶r̶e̶l̶l̶a Sindella (And of course, show both in shitty slideshows ), then explain she was thought to be dead, turns out she isn't, then they go to the Homo Magi city to kick some ass, with the way the episodes are slower paced now, this story could easily happen if they wanted to, specially since it could help develop Zatanna and show more of YJ's magic side.

There are Child threats, Gathering of Sentinels of Magic to counter the coming new Lord of Chaos, her relation to the proteges, the magic world and community there, bit of her backstory even

While the first minutes of episode 9 make it look like it's about her, the rest of it and episode 10 so far have Klarion and Vandal being the focus, with Klarion getting the focus in his relationship with Child, and the Lords of Chaos talking about him, while Vandal gets focus in flashbacks that talk about how he's this cartoon's version of Ultimate Captain America with how everything is fucking connected with him, Zatanna is only reacting to the events and not getting even half of the focus either Klarion or Vandal are getting, specially in episode 10.

Of course, maybe the focus with Klarion and Vandal is temporary, 'cause the good guys are gathering forces, and the Klarion/Vandal focus is just to reinforce that Klarion is not as bad as Child since he's at least controllable, and maybe afterwards the focus will go back to the good guys and Zatanna will get more focus, but it's still disappointing the first two episodes did this, specially those flashbacks deciding to connect Homo Magi and Atlantis to fucking Vandal, 'cause this wank is really not necessary, specially since it makes the world so much smaller.

[Robotman]

Gotham Knights show in development for the CW



But she's probably nowhere near as effective as she was when she was using the full powers, because she was basically a female Billy.

It’s odd that they would go with the Batwoman team for this new project. Isn’t it one of the lowest rated show and plagued with behind the scenes issues?

[Primal Slayer]

It’s odd that they would go with the Batwoman team for this new project. Isn’t it one of the lowest rated show and plagued with behind the scenes issues?

It was plagued with BTS issues 2 years ago during S1. The show gets ok ratings for CW standards and who knows how well it does via streaming.

[Gaius]

Y'know, now that I think of it, Vandal rambling about things Nabu already knew shows Vandal's age, he's doing the classic old man thing of telling stories just because, eventually he'll reach this point:



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The perfect voice for Savage and we didn't even know it!

[Alpha]

Yeah, it wouldn't be that complicated to introduce the story of Zatanna's mother even if they adapted it to be closer to the comics, just show Giovanni's battle with whoever he was fighting, then him being healed by C̶i̶n̶d̶e̶r̶e̶l̶l̶a Sindella (And of course, show both in shitty slideshows ), then explain she was thought to be dead, turns out she isn't, then they go to the Homo Magi city to kick some ass, with the way the episodes are slower paced now, this story could easily happen if they wanted to, specially since it could help develop Zatanna and show more of YJ's magic side.

I haven't read the comics about her mother, but what you are peoposing doesn't really seem to be the interesting part of her backstory. The interesting part seems to be that she was the literal lifeforce of her entire society.