What do YOU want to see on the "7 Unknown Worlds?" [MULTIVERSITY GUIDEBOOK SPOILERS]

[Sirzechs]

Flashpoint, definitely Flashpoint Eobard Thawne as the flash of that world as well.

[TheWill]

The Injustice: Gods Among Us world would fit nicely on earth-24. Also if milestone decides to publish again with DC then maybe the dakotaverse can go in Earth-28.

[Dispenser Of Truth]

Heck yea and build it up 7000 is a good fanbase to start from. Who don't see the potential in that really limit themselves and aren't worthy to be called good writer.

Um...besides that he was joking, no, 7000 isn't even so much as scraping the bottom floor of cancellation numbers. Earth 16 is already implied to have Young Justice in its past, and even if it was part of the Multiverse, it's not like there'd ever be a crossover.

[Cmbmool]

One of them has to be the old PRE-Flashpoint world. At least in this way it would stop the complaints that DC has been getting since the new 52 started.

[Doctor Cosmic]

One of them has to be the old PRE-Flashpoint world. At least in this way it would stop the complaints that DC has been getting since the new 52 started.

I think Convergence is DC's way of addressing those complaints. From DiDio's interview with Newsarama:

When we launched the New 52, it was a rather harsh ending to the current universe. We did the Flashpoint story, which led us into the New 52, but you never got that sense of closure, like you did with other events.

When you look at things like Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour, the characters that changed, you saw the character change occur and it sort of brought closure to certain books and characters and stories.
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We never did that with the pre-Flashpoint DC Universe. And there are a lot of interesting character beats and stories that we felt were still worth revisiting. So we're telling those stories, but we're also presenting characters in a way that I felt would intrigue fans.

These aren't just leftover stories from pre-Flashpoint. These stories are as if we're joining their lives, later down the line, to see what happened to them.

And then, more importantly, how it fits into the grander scope of things.

And ultimately, you know, we're leaving every door open everywhere. We want to see what the reaction is, where the excitement is… because our goal is to reach as many people as possible. So the more people who get excited about ideas, the more that we'll go back and see whether or not there's this viable option on how to really capture whatever interest they're showing in those characters.

While it sounds like DC is open to returning past continuities with future storylines, I"m hesitant to get too excited, because DiDio's interview with CBR had a very conflicting tone:

CBR: So is there a chance there will be new titles spinning out of "Convergence," or multiverse books coming out of "Convergence" that will take the place of the cancelled titles?

DiDio: We have a plan in place for June following our April and May stories, and honestly it just doesn't take into account what's coming in "Convergence." But it really takes into account what we think is the essence of DC Comics, and really positions ourselves for the future. How's that for being vague? [Laughter]

The question here is, what was DiDio's emphasis? "It just doesn't take account what's coming in 'Convergence,'"meaning other concepts and ideas are being taken into account? Or does it mean "what's coming in 'Convergence'" will also be a part of the publishing in June and beyond?

Rich Johnston speculated at Bleeding Cool that the difference between Secret Wars and Convergence is that Secret Wars is the future of the MU, whereas Convergence will "mean nothing" after the story's done. I personally think Johnston's just up to his usual click-driving antics, but it seems that either A) DC had no real plans for the Multiverse outside of the ones already utilized in the New 52 and then saw the sales of Multiversity or B) DC is covering its bases, leaving the door open for future creators to return to past storylines and continuities.

[Black Angel]

Um...besides that he was joking, no, 7000 isn't even so much as scraping the bottom floor of cancellation numbers. Earth 16 is already implied to have Young Justice in its past, and even if it was part of the Multiverse, it's not like there'd ever be a crossover.

I know he/she was being sarcastic lol. I don't see how it was implied to be the past unless i missed something in that issue? Honestly as long as the miller universe is still there i'm cool if YJ doesn't make it. Still i do believe it would be a waste.

[dcdrew]

PRE-CRISIS Earth 1

PRE-CRISIS Earth 2

PRE-Flashpoint

Hanna-Barbara Super Friends

DC Live-Action Heroes- Adam West, Lynda Carter, Christopher Reeve, Helen Slater, Jackson Bostwick, John-Wesley Shipp...

Timmverse- BTAS, STAS, JLU

Young Justice

[Black Angel]

PRE-CRISIS Earth 1

PRE-CRISIS Earth 2

PRE-Flashpoint

Hanna-Barbara Super Friends

DC Live-Action Heroes- Adam West, Lynda Carter, Christopher Reeve, Helen Slater, Jackson Bostwick, John-Wesley Shipp...

Timmverse- BTAS, STAS, JLU

Young Justice

the timm verse is already earth 12

[Bruce Wayne]

Rich Johnston speculated at Bleeding Cool that the difference between Secret Wars and Convergence is that Secret Wars is the future of the MU, whereas Convergence will "mean nothing" after the story's done. I personally think Johnston's just up to his usual click-driving antics,

I think he could be entirely right. Convergence isn't done by the regular DC editorial, but done by a bunch of replacement guys as the main DC editorial made the move to California. But he has been way off mark about Multiversity and reportedly he claimed that DKR Earth was removed because DKR is really the NuDCU future. Yes the one where Dick is a crazed villain and Catwoman runs a whorehouse is going to be the legit future of the batbooks.

but it seems that either A) DC had no real plans for the Multiverse outside of the ones already utilized in the New 52 and then saw the sales of Multiversity or B) DC is covering its bases, leaving the door open for future creators to return to past storylines and continuities.

A is definitely the most likely option. There doesn't seem to be an attempt at trying to organize the various Earths. In fact aside from revisions and revelations made in Countdown, a lot of the new Earths were probably filled in by Morrison for Multiversity doing copies of various other comic lines such as AstroCity/Image/Extreme/Big Bang Comics/THUNDER Agents and he apparently didn't even know about Earth-16 being occupied by YJ then. In fact it seems DC creators were pretty much imo discouraged from doing stuff with the multiverse. Remember Waid, Johns, Morrison and Rucka had planned a sequel to 52 with four separate ongoings taking place on Earth-2, 4, 5 and 10 that would have been written by Johns, Rucka, Waid and Morrison respectively and DC shot them down choosing to go with Countdown of all things.

And I think it's entirely possible Golden Age Earth-2, the pre-Crisis Earth-1 and the post-Crisis DC are three of the seven Earths. Hopefully when the current Earth-2 is eradicated they replace it with the old version.

[Rich Johnston]

I think Convergence is DC's way of addressing those complaints. From DiDio's interview with Newsarama:



While it sounds like DC is open to returning past continuities with future storylines, I"m hesitant to get too excited, because DiDio's interview with CBR had a very conflicting tone:



The question here is, what was DiDio's emphasis? "It just doesn't take account what's coming in 'Convergence,'"meaning other concepts and ideas are being taken into account? Or does it mean "what's coming in 'Convergence'" will also be a part of the publishing in June and beyond?

Rich Johnston speculated at Bleeding Cool that the difference between Secret Wars and Convergence is that Secret Wars is the future of the MU, whereas Convergence will "mean nothing" after the story's done. I personally think Johnston's just up to his usual click-driving antics, but it seems that either A) DC had no real plans for the Multiverse outside of the ones already utilized in the New 52 and then saw the sales of Multiversity or B) DC is covering its bases, leaving the door open for future creators to return to past storylines and continuities.

Speculated? I was telling you what editors and creators tell me. What do you mean "usual click-driving antics" anyway? I find stuff out, I tell you, people read it. Hardly click bait.

[Rich Johnston]

I think he could be entirely right. Convergence isn't done by the regular DC editorial, but done by a bunch of replacement guys as the main DC editorial made the move to California. But he has been way off mark about Multiversity and reportedly he claimed that DKR Earth was removed because DKR is really the NuDCU future. Yes the one where Dick is a crazed villain and Catwoman runs a whorehouse is going to be the legit future of the batbooks.

Way off on Multiversity? How so? Reportedly? Who reported it? Certainly not Bleeding Cool.

I said that DKR was not written by Miller as a parallel dimension. Miller wrote it as an end cap to Year One.

[Dispenser Of Truth]

Okay, I thought my ideas were pretty decent, but this guy made his own proposals, and I'm going to have to concede defeat here.

Earth 14: Unknown. Set aside for strange Monitor sexual experiments, probably.

Earth 24: Unknown World. Probably the Monitor's septic tank.

Earth 25: Unknown World. Probably where the Monitor's stash their porn.

Earth 27: Unknown World. Probably where comic book creators that have appeared in their own comic books live.

Earth 28: Unknown World. Probably a world where nothing is known.

Earth 46: Unknown World. Probably a world where they keep all of the extra question marks.

Earth 49: Unknown World. Probably the world where the Monitors went to live after faking their own deaths.

A universe for gods to hide their porn in.

Well played.

[Dataweaver]

I think most of these suggestions would be a waste really of those seven Earths that Morrison left for future writers. Especially the Superman Secret Identity one since that was always intended to be the a reimagining of Superboy Prime. If you are going to put him somewhere put him on Earth Prime.

Wouldn’t work. By tye end of Secret Identity, Clark wasn’t the only superhuman on his Earth anymore.

A lot of these ideas are too rooted frankly in fanlike nostalgia and in my opinion fail to see the full potential of an entirely new universe for a writer-artist team to build upon.

That said, I’d still like at least one of them to be closely based on a pre-Flashpoint continuity, with the idea that any such world would also provide a basis for a writer-artist team to build upon.

At least imo one of them should be used to incorporate the live action DC tv shows or movies such as Arrow and Flash. The rest of them should be given to some writer/artist with decent world building skills to do as they wish. Maybe something like Dan Jurgen's Tangent or Stan Lee's Just Imagine series of books.

Since those are Earth 9 and Earth 6, respectively, there’s no need to use any of the Unknown Earths.

Let them create entirely brand new characters and universe. But using those worlds just to put Elseworld stories back into "continuity" is just a waste.

I tend to agree here: putting Elseworlds stories back into “continuity” is a task more suited to Hypertime than to the Multiverse’s Seven Unknowns.

[Bruce Wayne]

Since those are Earth 9 and Earth 6, respectively, there’s no need to use any of the Unknown Earths.

Actually I think you fail to see my point. Earth 6 and 9 were based from a series of titles created by Lee and Jurgens respectively. I'm saying that they apply the same idea with several of the unknown worlds to create a more fleshed out world.

[A.Fox]

Now, I'm not too sure where these'd be placed yet, but here's what I'd love to do, four Earths I'd like to make (at present).

The first would be a comedic, almost parody like version of the DCU that takes influences from a wide variety of comedies, with one of it's chief inspirations being Superdickery. Now in this world Superman isn't a hero and instead a gigantic asshole sent to Earth from Krypton as an adult because the Kryptonians had, had enough of his shit and wanted to make him somebody else's problem. Him and Clark Kent being separate people as 'Superdick' would have no secret identity.

The second would be more like the numerous pastiches Morrison did in the guidebook...only instead of a western comic, it'd be a world populated by expies of anime and manga characters (and Godzilla...he may not fall under either category, but I couldn't bring myself to not leave him in), because while it may not have been a pastiche of something DC, it's still a comic form and if comic books are windows into other worlds in the DC Multiverse, than what the Hell is manga supposed to be? It'd be a world where civilization in general is usually a mix of Japanese and any other country, the US for example being a mix between American culture and Japanese. It's Justice League would consist purely of ersatz anime characters and be a version of 'Big Science Action', with several expies of Gainax characters among it. Now if one wants to know why I thought of using expies in the first place, I was inspired by Grant Morrison's own analogues of the Big Bang Comics heroes, Supreme, and Astro City...it made me wonder if one could apply this same principal to other forms of media to create a more rounded DCU.

The third would be a world where the heroes and villains were pastiches of webcomics, internet based animated videos (like RWBY for example), and live action internet videos (like the Nostalgia Critic), because webcomics are still comics, and some of them even started out as actual comic books. The world's Justice League equivilent would also consist of several web character expies, including an analogue of Linkara. The reason I included the web videos and animations is because I basically expanded it...thought it might be a nice touch, also a version of some Earth-8 characters would exist, though they'd be more like the characters in MWE's X-Men parodies.

And the fourth would be like the other two above, but this would have a more unique take on it's pastiches...instead of anime and webcomics, it'd be videogames. It's a very important and fun medium I'm quite fond of, and there's a ton of potential in making a universe full of videogame pastiches, with some DC elements introduced, like having a 'Trinity' that includes analogues of Mario and Lara Croft, and having Mario's analogue basically be a Superman stand in. It's Justice League analogue would be quite large and it's name would be something akin to 'Super Smash Bros.' And the crisis it have (mirroring the five years prior crisis that happened in the main DCU in the first Justice League storyline) would have been a massive time crisis with numerous after effects...which could allow numerous different genres to cross over into one world.

So anyways, those are my personal choices...wouldn't want to take up the whole thing, as that'd be rude to any future writers, four may be plenty but it's better than taking the whole pot, this way others could make their own Earths. Might add what I'd personally do with the other three later though.
Hope nobody minds this, but I read the forum and thought I'd add my two cents. Kudos to Doctor Kosmic for starting it.