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    Quote Originally Posted by E.Nigma View Post
    Is your idea of "fun" dental surgery without anesthesia?
    Nope, I just don't need it to be the silver-age to enjoy a comic. (to be clear, this is meant as friendly patter)

    I like to look at it as the entire Earth-2 imprint collapsing without James Robinson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exile001 View Post
    Can someone please tell me where it has been stated in the New 52 that there are 52 universes in the multiverse? I thought Final crisis dropped that idea and it was just an infinite mutiverse again?

    On Earth-2: it's like Earth-1, only different. That may not be too helpful...

    It's just an alternate Earth. Darkseid invaded as in Justice League (#1-6) but, unlike in JL, he was much more destructive and this earth's Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman seemigly died. A new, different group of heroes were rising from the ashes and these were adapted from the JSA characters. Now it's just F**ked. Also, new Batman, Superman and his supporting cast.

    Jame Robinson, the original writer and architect, was a favorite of mine but he left and the book has really gone downhill. It's still a fun read, though.
    Actually, Final Crisis established that exactly 52 worlds exist, branching off New Earth at the very center. Each has its own version of Superman. Each of the 52 earths has its own infinite tangents, though. They're called hypertimes. So there are an infinite number of realities and possibilities, but they are based off of the 52 worlds.

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    Hypertime got punched away by Superboy Prime in Infinite Crisis.

    Quote Originally Posted by E.Nigma View Post
    It's "Prime-Earth" for the New 52, and there's no way DC could ever go back to the JSA at this point. Too much water under the bridge, and they refuse to have ever let superheroes actively exist during WWII.
    There is no evidence of any of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne View Post
    There is no evidence of any of this.
    I believe at the very start of the New 52 Dan DiDio clearly stated that Superman was being designed as the first super-powered hero in the New 52 universe. That meant there could be no heroes publically operating prior to Superman, which is why a WWII team like the JSA isn't going to happen, and the only heroes that took place in periods before the birth of New 52 Superman have been non-powered, non-secret-identity characters or a "shadow group" like StormWatch that was not publically recognized.

    Unless DC undoes that decision, you can't have the JSA operating during WWII, and if you don't allow that, they're not the JSA from the past. They're a faux-replacement, which was what we sort of being given in Earth 2 until Robinson left and Taylor turned that title into another Evil Superman's Injustice clone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Stone View Post
    It's a reboot of the old DC Earth-2, but keeping more to the spirit of how DC relaunched heroes in the Silver Age.

    The characters were reworked from the ground up, keeping basically just the names and core concepts.
    ok it says on the dc database the Earth-2 is a wholly different alternate reality from that of Earth-Two. after Infinite Crisis earth-2 was made. the new 52 earth-2 is a reboot of the second one not the first one. so the original golden age heroes were erased and the new earth-2 heroes are going to pick up the torch. or that's what it sounds like ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid_omega_prime View Post
    ok it says on the dc database the Earth-2 is a wholly different alternate reality from that of Earth-Two. after Infinite Crisis earth-2 was made. the new 52 earth-2 is a reboot of the second one not the first one. so the original golden age heroes were erased and the new earth-2 heroes are going to pick up the torch. or that's what it sounds like ?
    Just read the comic books and don't worry about databases that aren't official DC outlets, okay? It will be less confusing for you that way, and the current Earth 2 book isn't all that old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReverseReverseFlash View Post
    Actually, Final Crisis established that exactly 52 worlds exist, branching off New Earth at the very center. Each has its own version of Superman. Each of the 52 earths has its own infinite tangents, though. They're called hypertimes. So there are an infinite number of realities and possibilities, but they are based off of the 52 worlds.
    ok lets take this one step at a time.
    1) there was earth-one, earh-two and others. earth-two had jay, power girl and the other golden age heroes.
    2) COIE happened and all of them became new earth.
    3) then the was infinite crisis and new universes were made such as a new earth-2.
    4) then after flashpoint new earth, vurdigo and wildstorm became prime earth.
    5) now there are 3 posibiles here. 1) earth-2 is a reboot of the second one with the heroes from that earth and the original golden age heroes were eased from the universe or 2) earth-2 is a reboot of the first earth-two but they call the book earth-2 and the dc database got it wrong because the events of the new 52 earth-2 are so close to the story of the second earth-2 and 3) it is a reboot of the second earth-2 but the heroes from the first earth-two were trancfered there in the reboot.

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    Why not just read the stories?

    Or better yet, check out the multiverse map!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReverseReverseFlash View Post
    Why not just read the stories?

    Or better yet, check out the multiverse map!
    well I checked out that map http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/...map_1400x1074/ and it did not help.

    ok let me try like this. alright forget about earth-2 at the moment and ill ask this. is the jay, power girl and superman from the new 52 earth-2 reboots of the first earth-two or the second ones ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid_omega_prime View Post
    well I checked out that map http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/...map_1400x1074/ and it did not help.

    ok let me try like this. alright forget about earth-2 at the moment and ill ask this. is the jay, power girl and superman from the new 52 earth-2 reboots of the first earth-two or the second ones ?
    Neither. They are new versions of entities that tend to follow a certain template.

    In other words, whenever the universe reboots, it has a tendency to create versions of these characters. It usually puts them on their own world, but not always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dispenser Of Truth View Post
    What "second Earth-2"? The Earth 2 after IC was pretty much exactly the same as the one before it.

    It's a New 2-ization of the concept. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are still the original superheroes like in the original Earth 2, and they still beget the JSA and successors like Power Girl and Huntress, but it's all in the present rather than starting in the late 30s/early 40s.
    Pre-Crisis

    The development of Earth-Two largely mirrors that of Earth-One. It is divergent from the main Earth in the period of time in which the heroes developed and operate, most of them originated in or around World War II. Its heroes experienced more or less parallel development with their Earth-One counterparts, with some exceptions. The heroes on Earth-Two occasionally interacted with those on Earth-One. Though Earth-Two bears much resemblance to the Earth-One universe, it does have some notable differences from Earth-One. The most prominent is the Earth's timeline, which is shifted back somewhat so that major events, such as the emergence of masked heroes and the explosion of Krypton, take place earlier in the chronology. Earth-Two received much of the magic that had been shunted out of Earth-One, resulting in magical dominance over science in Earth-Two. Politically, Quebec is a separate nation from Canada; South Africa abolished apartheid earlier, in keeping with the shifted timeline; and Atlantis was raised from the sea and parts of it are ruled by a queen; as a result of being on the surface, Atlanteans have no underwater adaptations. The Legion of Super-Heroes does not exist in Earth-Two's future. The Justice Society of America and All-Star Squadron both are formed by Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Earth-Two was destroyed during the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

    Since Earth-Two is essentially parallel to Earth-One, it is home to many Golden Age counterparts of Earth-One heroes, including Kal-L, the counterpart of Superman; Princess Diana Trevor, the counterpart of Wonder Woman; Jay Garrick, the counterpart of Barry Allen; and Alan Scott, the counterpart of the Green Lanterns. Heroes native to Earth-Two who share no Earth-One counterpart, or who immigrated to Earth-One and became heroes there include Johnny Quick, Power Girl, and the Sandman.

    Post-Crisis

    A new Earth-2 was created in the aftermath of 52. This Earth is not the same as the original Earth-Two, and is home to the Justice Society Infinity, an amalgamation of the Justice Society of America and Infinity, Inc. This Earth-2 is visited by Power Girl, who initially believes it to be her native Earth, but is later proven incorrect.

    New 52

    Beginning

    Following the New 52 reboot, the Earth-2 concept was rebooted. For this new concept for Earth-2, the center point is the invasion of Earth by Apokolips (led by Steppenwolf). Like the mainstream DC, the heroes of this Earth band together to fight this invading force. These seven are Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman (The first hero to appear in this world), Mr. 8 (Terry Sloan), Catwoman, Robin (Batman and Catwoman's child Helena Wayne), Supergirl and one unnamed hero or 'Wonder' as the denizens of Earth-2 call them. The ending effect of this Apokolips War ends with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman dying, all for the purpose of saving the world. With Batman's master plan to shut down the Apokolips towers that control the Parademons accomplished, Earth is able to beat Apokolips back to its own dimension and finally leaving them alone. After this the world rebuilds, idolizing their fallen 'Wonders' with holidays and statues. Five years after the end of the War, Wonders begin to reappear.

    Five Years Later

    Wonders such as The Flash (Jay Garrick), The Green Lantern (Alan Scott), Hawkgirl (Kendra Munoz-Saunders) and The Atom (Al Pratt) band together to battle an undead force known as The Grey, the opposite force to The Green, the force that empowers The Green Lantern. Grundy, the avatar for The Grey, begins to reek havoc on Earth after The Green chose it's new avatar (Alan). The heroes band together, even if some are at each others throats- Hawkgirl and Atom, and battle Grundy until Green Lantern places Grundy on the Moon, away from Earth and The Grey. Earth, finally seeing it's Wonders return, is overjoyed. The return continues as Khalid dons the helmet of fate to fight the sorcerer Wotan.

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