I'm really proud of Kamala Kahn fandom for stepping into this debate to stand up against hate, bigotry and genocide, like they've been doing in San Francisco.
I'm really proud of Kamala Kahn fandom for stepping into this debate to stand up against hate, bigotry and genocide, like they've been doing in San Francisco.
No one is denying how ill-crafted these stories were.
My point was: Doom wasn't lying then in CC, and he wasn't lying now in Avengers World.
The only difference is that in one case he didn't care at all about the people he had hurt and the damages he had caused, while in the other case he felt guilt and remorse over it.
"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
Unless there's proof in-story that he was lying, you have no proof that he was lying, you just think it's more likely Wanda would have done it than that Doom would have mind-controlled her.
But this is silly, because Wanda never in her entire history had any desire to see mutants gone, to stop being a mutant, or have "daddy" pay more attention to her. So since nothing she said is anything the proudly mutant Scarlet Witch would ever say, it can only be mind control.
If you want to come up with another culprit than Doom, please go ahead and lobby the writers, but it has to be someone who actually makes sense as the culprit, not a great mutant hero like Wanda, who stood up for mutants when the X-Men and Xavier were ashamed of being mutants.
Your standards for a well-crafted story are very low. I'd enjoy a story of a hero turning into a genocidal monster, but not a story where a hero becomes a genocidal monster in the course of one page, with a speech full of things she never said or believed in her 40 year history. That's a really, really badly crafted story. Well-crafted stories should show how a character comes to hate her own people after 40 years of loving who and what she is.
No, mind-control in the Marvel Universe basically just switches you from "good" to "evil." Characters under mind control routinely say and do the opposite of what they believe when they're not mind-controlled. You're thinking of hypnotism, which brings people's repressed feelings to the surface; that's different from comic book style mind control.
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"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
Where does all this trial talk come from anyway, is what I don't get. How many horrible crimes are there in this universe, and how few trials?
As a founding father of the Marvel Universe explained, most of the horrible things people do in this universe aren't even crimes under the legal system (which is one reason why superheroes, not cops, are needed to fight them):
Wanda's exile from the comics is a worse punishment (particularly for her fans who never got to read about her for years and years) than most heroes turned bad, or villains, ever get.
There was very little craft involved when you conveniently don't include a major reveal of the story you are using as a source, which is Darker Than Scarlet. Immortus was behind her behavior because he was planning to attack the Time Lords.
There was no transition in Bendis's story to even justify her sudden attack. That would have been a "perfectly crafted story" The only trigger was Jan mentioning her children. Wanda had come to terms with that long ago, even after Agatha had her memory tampered with.
BTW, whoever said a while back that Agatha had been dead for centuries better read some Fantastic Four where she was introduced and was Franklin's nanny during the Lee/Kirby years.