Why I'm not that excited about communing with animals (skip to 0:32):
Anyway, don't take it too seriously.
Why I'm not that excited about communing with animals (skip to 0:32):
Anyway, don't take it too seriously.
You make some very good points, and i think it requires a great writer to be able to fully explore all the GoW aspect and how it works. It's very very complicated.
I think though that as far as the standard issues in the DCU go, i dont expect them to go into great lengths about it. I mean, say WW guest stars in the Aquaman book. The Aquaman writer will want to use some cool GoW power without needing to delve into the intricate details of it all. "She's the GoW, she can control soldiers. Yay, they beat up the bad guy, time to move on to the next issue!" You know, the simple stuff.
About free will, good point here as well, but 1) she already has a lasso that can bypass free will and force someone to tell the truth, 2) she is a goddess. Gods come with powers that can shape our realities. Poseidon could drown the world for example. Here it just seems like she's the top general and she's giving orders to her soldiers. She's not messing with his brain, making him forget, changing his memories, or whatever. She's the god of war, she's the general of generals.
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He knew who she was? That must be why he asked who she was.
Yes, he suddenly realized he was talking to War. And he is a soldier, and if War give him an order he has to do what War says. He can't disobey. He never even considers the possibility.
Also, just checked out Superman Doomed, which I assume you referred to earlier. Diana's sword is ineffectual, and Doomsday never lands a clean punch. Had Superman not turned up Wonder Woman would have been toast.
Again. :wink:
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Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
--Lord Alfred Tennyson--
Evidence and facts, Vangaurd. I cant help it if they are inconvenient.
Last edited by brettc1; 05-15-2014 at 05:23 PM.
As someone who has been in the army (9 months of mandatory service in Greece ), you dont get to consider any possibilities, or ask any questions. When someone has one more stripe on his shoulder than you do, and he orders you to do something, you do it. No questions asked. Only later can you question him through legal proceedings. But first you will have completed the task assigned to you.
To me, it didnt look like mind control, more like "hey noob, i'm the super duper general, wake up and follow my orders." Obi Wan didnt need to convince those sand people that he is someone to tell them what do, because he actually mind wipped them.
Last edited by Dr. Hurt; 05-15-2014 at 05:27 PM.
I don't see any stripes on Diana's admittedly fabulous coat.
And while I have direct experience, I do have doubts the orders of a captain could automatically overrule those of a general just because they were the last ones a private heard. There would circumstances on the battlefield that would make that sensible but they don't seem to apply here.
He didn't know who she was, but once she said she was War, he had no questions. It's one of those sci-fi things where the concept of War personified is something a character might have some a priori knowledge of, but wouldn't necessarily recognize War upon meeting for the first time. So WW says she's War, and a light goes off in his head and he trusts her. There's not a lot of real-world examples of this I can think of, but I've seen just enough sci-fi and fantasy stuff that it's not a foreign concept to me, either.
Anyway, since I doubt the power will last, I think its coolness outweighs the potential problems. I also say this as a guy who didn't have many issues with how the Silver Age was notorious for making up powers for Superman left and right.
That's why she had to show herself to him, the way Athena revealed herself to Odysseus for example.
I dont understand what you mean here. It doesnt matter who has the last word, what matters is the rank. Now on the battlefield with all the explosions, a private might make a mistake. But the rule says that the highest rank overrules the lower one.And while I have direct experience, I do have doubts the orders of a captain could automatically overrule those of a general just because they were the last ones a private heard. There would circumstances on the battlefield that would make that sensible but they don't seem to apply here.
In any case, here WW is a godly general of generals. You dont overrank, or overrule that, just like a shark cant overrule Poseidon.
Yes. And he defers to her higher rank because of the mind control telling him she has it. "You're the god of war, and I HAVE to obey your commands."
It's like Apollo getting his three oracle girls to prophecy for him and then die. Free will goes out the window in the face of godly influence.
If we see WW give an order to a soldier and they question it, then we can reassess the conclusion. But for right now it all points to mind control.
Last edited by brettc1; 05-15-2014 at 05:45 PM.
Well, that's one way to interpret it. I think the soldier just recognizes he's in the presence of a higher being and feels compelled to defer. I suppose that also is one way of saying "free will goes out the window in the face of godly influence," but I don't agree with the strongly negative connotation here.
It's quite possible that she mind controls them. I mean in the western world we dont have a god of war so that american soldier should be confused. If it was Jesus or something, he'd know how to respond, but there is no GoW for him. So i guess that there is some mind control here, at least in the sense that the soldier is exposed to her godly truth, understands it, and then gets with the program, like how a greek soldier who already knows Ares would.
The other option is Diana simply having control over the soldiers. I dont mind it. It's not something she chose, it's a power she inherited and in this case she didnt mind control soldiers to kill anyone, just to let Lois go. We see how in her own book she's asking the Amazons to follow her as opposed to forcing them to do it, so i'd say she wouldnt use this power in such a way.
Well if she did mind control, I don't see why she would have this big convo with him to tell him she is the God of War and she wouldn't just tell him to release her.
You say you're talking facts and evidence, but this is neither. The sword is not ineffective. It pierces him and he bleeds. Or steams. Or whatever the hell that poisonous matter was made of. But it did some damage, as he does keel over. That it didn't put him down doesn't make it an ineffectual attack. And since as you say, Doomsday never gets to counter-attack and the fight doesn't continue from there, its far from a fact that she'd be toast.Also, just checked out Superman Doomed, which I assume you referred to earlier. Diana's sword is ineffectual, and Doomsday never lands a clean punch. Had Superman not turned up Wonder Woman would have been toast.
Again.
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