Renew Your Vows Sales Predictions

[Mister Mets]

There have been a few references to what Marvel might to do if Renew Your Vows sells well. But we haven't really discussed expectations for sales.

How do you think the issues will do? There is the obvious caveat that the discussion is premature as we don't know many key details such as the length of the story, or whether there will be any unique promotions.

[cyberhubbs]

125k for the first issue.

I think it has piqued enough interest to do well for what's a tie-in.

[Celgress]

...I think it has piqued enough interest to do well....

I agree, enough people are intrigued by the concept plus certain others I'm sure will buy it purely out of spite further boosting sales figures.

[Highland Chicken]

about the same as spider-verse.

[Phantom Roxas]

Magneto and Loki are each going to get four issues for Secret Days, and Ultimate End is getting five, I think it's safe to assume that Renew Your Vows would have around that many issues. Likewise, considering the format for those books, we can also assume that "Renew Your Vows" won't be a subtitle for a book that will replace ASM, but rather, that will be the name of the arc. Regardless of whether it will start with #18 or #19, that will be the number we see, as opposed to "Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows #1". Unless, of course, it follows Attilan Rising's format of being a new ongoing in addition to the main book. However, in that case, Soule is already writing Uncanny Inhumans and Inhumans in addition to Attilan Rising, so either Slott is writing both an issue of the regular ASM book in addition to Renew Your Vows, as well as his work on Silver Surfer, or it's just Silver Surfer and Renew Your Vows for him, while the "main" ASM story will be covered by Spiral.

Either way, considering how ASM consistently fares well in sales, Renew Your Vows will have "Amazing Spider-Man" in its title no matter what, so Renew Your Vows should do just as well as the series typically does. When it comes to "unique" promotions, though, the most I'm expecting would probably be dependent on which banner it falls under. It's going to have the Secret Wars logo on it no matter what, which should also contribute to its sales, though I'll have to double check to see how Original Sin and AXIS affected the sales of their respective tie-ins. However, the banners are looking to be how Marvel wants to draw attention to each book. "Last Days" is more about character stories, so I could see Renew Your Vows being a part of that. Battleworld is where you see Ultimate End and Attilan Rising, and Ultimate End is all about an entire universe facing its end, while Attilan Rising is about further expanding the franchise Marvel has been focusing on since Inhumanity. Unless Renew Your Vows affects more of the Spider-Man books beyond ASM, I can't see it being a Battleworld book, but I could be wrong. Warzones is more about the "building blocks" for Battleworld after Secret Wars, and given the comments about how Renew Your Vows is supposed to be the Spider-Man story during Secret Wars, it would certainly work for that.

I guess the banner you could expect depends on your expectations for the story. If you don't buy for a second that this will bring the marriage back, and you're in the "This is meant as the final nail in the coffin for the marriage" camp, then I'd expect "Last Days" to be perfect for that. If you want this to be an event unto itself, showing just how much this would affect, that'd be a Battleworld story. If you think this is meant to stick, or maybe even be a way to just "test the waters", then Warzones would probably be the best fit. I'll admit that that's just looking at it in terms of basics, so feel to disagree with that logic, but really, what it comes down to for me would depend on the banner.

[MikeMC005]

Extremely high... Thats the only prediction I have.

[SpiderNerd]

Probably about as well as the first part of Spider-Verse. I think that was in the 130k range, so that seems like a probable number.

[Probalus]

Depends on what it actually is.

[John Ossie]

I'd expect sales of the first issue, whatever it is actually about, will be high, as for the rest well I think it kinda depends on how issue 1 is received. Wait and see I guess.

[Kevinroc]

There's a lot of things we don't actually know about RYV. Will it just use the numbering of Amazing vol. 3? Will it be a new launch with a new #1? Will it have variant covers? Will it be marketed as a major part of Secret Wars?

All we know is Slott and Kubert are the creative team, and Marvel's saying that "this is your Spider-Man."

[Kevinroc]

Well we just had two Spider-Man movies in a row with zero MJ, so I'd say nothing is definite.

Now this is something that should be discussed because considering how those movies went down, do they think that was a mistake? Because Sony rushed off to make a deal with Marvel Studios after these two films. Do you think that would have happened if Emma Stone played MJ?

[Zeitgeist]

Then there is writing a new love interest with the intention that MJ is exclusively in the past, and this new love intrest will supplant her and be Peter's new greatest love. This, to me, is anti-MJ, as the author would not want her to return to promenence or her former glory in favor of someone else who he deems more fitting to be Spidey's great love, which would go against her historical relevance and well deserved place at Peter's side.

Interesting.

Now this is something that should be discussed because considering how those movies went down, do they think that was a mistake? Because Sony rushed off to make a deal with Marvel Studios after these two films. Do you think that would have happened if Emma Stone played MJ?

Lol yes, undoubtedly. The name of Spider-Man's girlfriend had absolutely nothing to do with why both the Amazing films underperformed.

[Kevinroc]

The the issue is to me wheter Marvel gives a crap about romance in a Spider-Man title and wants it promoted, Peter Parker inevitably is just like any other basic superhero protagonist that has to be excitable and full of action, his slice of life soap opera aspects were second fiddle compared to the actual focus of Peter's power and force of role with them, the drama especially with romance shouldn't be equally correspondent to the true essence of the series which is Spider-Man executing great responsibilty with his great power as Spider-Man, and they're has been so many stories where Peter is doomed to have no stable happiness as Spider-Man and Peter with MJ or a family without retiring or quitting as Spidey which means the end of Peter's stories as a hero, this hammers in the message that Peter is a coming of age character and only progress as far as fundamentally as learning can take him not actually being at the peak of maturity and growth.

Peter is like Ryu from Street Figthter in a sense, he will never stop trying to yearn for actual progress, potential and enlightenment due to feeling himself not complete nor ready to take on his ultimate path as a man who is free from his self inflicted guilt and conscience from failure and a existential crisis.

I can't wait for the day Spider-Man shows up in Super Smash Bros. I wonder what his final smash would be.

Agree to disagree about retelling of origin. I was just using Daredevil's TV show as an example of telling the origin while remaining engaging for the people who already know the story. I wasn't even thinking about the movie, honestly (willful amnesia?).

I can see both sides of the Richard/Ben argument. It's possible that the writers wanted to give a twist to the origin/motivations, perhaps because of the issue we are discussing: overkill of the same old straightforward "lack of responsibility leads to Ben's death" origin. Although we are still shown how Peter blames himself for Ben's death, if I recall correctly.

On the other hand, if you prefer that the movies stay very close to the original comics, I can see how you wouldn't care for it. I personally like it when we get twists/re-imaginings in the movies. I don't want to see a shot for shot remake of a story I already know. I think "Guardians" was a great example of staying true to what worked in the comics while adjusting the story smartly for the screen. I just look at the comics being an inspirational source for the movies, not as a bible or strict set of guidelines. It lets me enjoy the movies a lot more, without worrying about what matches or what doesn't fit or whatever.

I liked Ant-Man quite a bit. And it does what you're talking about staying true to what worked in the comics. When Scott Lang talks about how important his daughter is to him, I felt like that was the character from the comics on the screen, even though the circumstances to his becoming Ant-Man were different.

The Amazing films did not do that. And I point to Richard Parker as an example of that. Peter in the comics has never had this obsession with his biological father that these movies portrayed him as. We can see why it didn't work. Peter had all but seemingly forgotten Uncle Ben by ASM 2. (When Aunt May says Uncle Ben should be the graduation, Peter chimes in and says Richard Parker should be there too. That is not Peter Parker. I wanted to see that character get slapped for that disrespectful comment.)

[DarkSpider]

There have been a few references to what Marvel might to do if Renew Your Vows sells well. But we haven't really discussed expectations for sales.

How do you think the issues will do? There is the obvious caveat that the discussion is premature as we don't know many key details such as the length of the story, or whether there will be any unique promotions.

Obviously it will sell well since it has Spider Man and a 1st on the cover. After that Sales will drop.